Would these freshwater fish be okay together?

Well, I hope you do get into the hobby as it's really relaxing and cool!

That said, that is WAY too many fish for a 30 gallon! Your nitrate levels would be so high, you would need to do 50% water changes every 3 or 4 days! And that's only assuming you have a completely cycled tank. This will be a new tank however and BELIEVE you me, you will have serious headaches trying to get all those fish to survive while you're trying to cycle the tank. Trust me, I've been there and have done that. 27 creatures worth of fish waste is ALOT of ammonia which will quickly kill your fish.

I suggest no more than 12 fish (in size similar to the fish on your list) to eventually stock ur tank. I say eventually because while you are cycling your tank you will want no more than 2 or 3 fish for the first 4-6 weeks! You MUST resist the urge to add more fish until your tank is cycled. And once it is, you should add only 1 or 2 a week until you get your target number.

Before you do any actual stocking of your fish, please read up on the Nitrogen Cycle to understand how or why we are able to keep fish alive in small, closed environments. Think of a cycled tank as a working toilet system. How long would you survive in a closed environment with no working toilets?

You can hit me up if you have any questions!

The fish can live just fine together, I would be more worried that the tank may be overstocked. I hope you have a filter rated for 40g or more! The Livebearers will breed, not like crazy as people say since they can be picky and other fish may eat the fry, but at least expect 1-3 new fry every 4 months growing to adult size.

As for the Betta, he should be fine!

My guy is in with 30 Platy of all colors and fin types, a gourami, loaches and cats perfectly fine!

Your second grouping of fish sounds perfect for a 30 gallon tank. You have nothing to worry about as far as ammonia building up as long as you do 30-40% water changes every 10 days to 2 weeks.

That is not too many fish for the 30, and your idea of having all males of the livebearers is a great idea. The zebras may spawn, but the other fish in the tank will view the eggs as a protein treat.

Plant heavily at each end and leave the center of the tank open for swimming and showing off.

The male betta will be no problem at all. He will not attack the other fish. He will also find an area that is not in the flow of water from the filter and be happy as he can be in a large heated, filtered tank. All bettas should be so lucky as to have you for an owner.

Don't overfeed and your tank will be a very nice addition to your home.

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Yes, the second grouping sounds good but only in a cycled tank! Also weekly large water changes would be neccessary to keep the nitrates down, not the ammonia. You shouldn't have any ammonia! That's what the bacteria in the cycle is for. Perhaps 23 years of fish keeping has made you forget what it was like to be a newcomer.

I agree, cycle first then add slowly.

I also happen to own a 30-gallon tank myself so I can help you with a few stocking options. You can keep up to 18 fish in a 30-gallon tank. I am only going to make a stocking suggestion based on freshwater fish that are perfect for beginners.

1) Platys (x6)

2) Guppies (x6)

3) Zebra Danios(x6)

You can possibly squeeze in a male Betta but be sure to purchase it last so that it will not become territorial as it would if you added it first.

I hope this stocking option will help you out.

Tiger barbs choose 20+ gallons and faculties of 6+ tigers. They do superb with 8+ not one of the fish you have suggested are stable for a 10 gallon. Why? right here is your solutions: Neon tetra are nevertheless energetic tetra. many human beings think of in basic terms because of fact they advance approximately an inch long they're completely advantageous in a 10 gallon, the place, no that's no longer it. they're energetic fish. they choose 20+ gallons. Black mollies, choose 20+ gallons for 3 on the main. And brackish water! Tiger barbs, as suggested above, choose 20+ gallons. whilst it is composed of tank length and stocking, it rather isn't any longer in basic terms the size of the fish that concerns. you are able to desire to envision aggression, bio-load, how vast they get (in basic terms a million of many), etc. you choose examine on the fish you choose. Like tiger barbs, you are able to desire to do examine on them. some stable stocking for a 10 gallon might properly be a number of those many mixtures: 5 woman betta fish, 4 ghost shrkmp a million male or woman betta fish a million dwarf gourani a million dwarf gourami and 5 pygmy cories a million betta and 5 pygmy cories 5 guppies, 3 ADFs 3 guppies, 3 woman betta fish etc many mixtures. Cycle first and upload a million-2 fish a week. no longer in basic terms guppies. Betta fish, dwarf gourami, cherry barbs, dwarf rasbora, etc can all go in a 10 gallon.

Well, first of all don't put the betta in there because he'll attack the other fish. Bettas in general don't like to live in filtrated aquariums because the moving water bothers them. I would also recommend decreasing the amount of fish you put in there. Start off small and only get a couple at a time. That way you can give your aquarium time to start filtrating ammonia from the fish's waste and produce necessary bacteria.. etc. It's really a simple process; if you want to know more about it, just ask at your local pet store.

You should also think about getting some sort of plecostomus or "sucker fish" to help clean the tank. Be wary that if they stay alive, they grow over time. I had mine for about a year and he grew about two or three inches. Give them enough time, and they will grow to be a foot long.

Other than the different varieties of Platy crossing,different Guppy crossing (unless sure getting all one sex)..... freshwater clams not for novice.... lots of top-,and mid-,level fish with no bottom level fish (Cory?Loaches?Otocinclus?.... something?).... it's still tight for a 30g,IMO.... and going to look "cluttered" from the middle up.

If you have time on your hands look at other species and mixes.... just run through photo galleries,see if something grabs you.Then research it.

if there not from the same tank of family then there will be a fight match and one big fish will end up eating the others its best not two