Is the biggest roadblock between Christians and Jews the fact that the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus?

by bad tim the bad goy gay guy says:---- "there is a vast difference between the two religions. christian theology [especially the trinity, original sin, damnation in fire, and the idea of a divine sacrifice] is based on entirely pagan concepts.

'messianic jews' accept all of this pagan theology, therefore cannot be jews. ALL jews agree on this point, not just orthodox."

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Edit --So this would mean, if there was any messianic Jews who do not agree with any of what he has stated we would then be Jews because what constitutes in being a Jew is to believe just contrary to his depiction of doctrine by his analogy, wouldn't it?

Just for the record, I do not agree with any of what he has declared there and what "real messianic Jews" believe is just the opposite of what he has posted but not excluding Yeshua as the Moshiach nor excluding damnation either.

A person aquires damnation for himself for rejecting G-d. As everyone knows, the people in Soddom and Amorra recieved their judgement in a single day. Wasn't that damnation? Of-couse!

However, there are some here who have actually answered some half truths regarding him not fulfilling the prophecies in order to be considered the Messiah. The truth is that he didn't, if he did wouldn't we see this world in total harmony? Wouldn't it mean that he would be sitting in Jerusalem executing his rule? Of course!

So they are correct in this partial observation, he didn't fulfill the prophecies true but than again he said so himself "My kingdom is NOT of this world".

Now I don't know about you but to me this is an interesting revelation, how can we all declare he is the Messiah yet he himself says that his kingdom is not of this world because to declare he has another kingdom would mean that he rules that other kingdom or does it? No!

What it means is that he is making yet another prophetic declaration. He is saying that the kingdom he is referring too which he will rule, is the kingdom in the olam haba "the world to come" and it is when G-d will say enough that he will reveal himself to be that King we have long awaited and what I mean by this is that it will be in his appointed time.

What does his ressurection delare to us? His ressurection teaches us that eventhough we have all understood that he did not fulfill all the prophecies we can be rest assured that the rest of all of the other prophecies which he did not fulfill will be fulfilled in it's apointed times.

To say it is impossible for him to have risen from the dead is to say it is impossible that Elijah the prophet was taken up by a chariot of fire into heaven, it would be questioning every other possible miracle that has been recorded thru out all of the Tanakh.

It is my belief that the "true christian" and I emphasize a true christian, is to me a Noachide "descendent of Noah" and by them reading the Torah and the books written by the emmeseries of whom we call the Messiah would only increase their knowledge towards living a true life of rightouseness.

To the Asker--Your additional edits have many contridictive overtones to them, too many to illustrate in a debate in this post.

Edit---Again, I see the desception of all of those who say "Christians are good people we live peacfuly together and respect thier beliefs" yet as everyone can see here they insult their beliefs by stating: So the difference is that Christians do acknowledge a *"non-Kosher messiah", not that we don't and yet another saying a "dead messiah" However, we all know we are to expect that from them but I am revealing this in this manner in order to expose their obvious lies.

I don't know how ignorant you JPA's think Christians are but you're not fooling me with any of your arrogance. I can see right thru you!

No, because if you worship Jesus (spelled with either a J or a Y), you switched G-ds. Your god is a human sacrifice. Idolatry is a deal breaker in Judaism. The same part in Deuteronomy that says don't worship statues or animals says don't worship human beings - dead or alive. Christianity is therefore a separate religion.

So the difference is that Christians do acknowledge a non-Kosher messiah, not that we don't.

Point of correction: There is no "old" testament in Judiasm. There is Holy Scripture, the Torah, Prophets and Writings (Tanach). Christians have re-written and added to these Scriptures to suit their purposes, called it old and added a new ex-cement with a number of slurs aimed toward Jews. Their New Addition negates Torah. This is a good example of how "more" is not anywhere near better.

there is also the fact that christians read, interpret and understan the torah in a completely different way than do jews,

a christian is not a jew because their religion has gone in a completely different direction. that is similar to when do you call people primates or say they are humans cos technically we are primates, but it is valid to separate us from other primates.

ask a christian are they jewish or ask a jew are they christian and you will find that a christian is not a jew.

why would god choose a small group of people to be chosen, what about aborginies in australia who never had any interaction with jews, why would these be rejected through no fault of their own. the bible is written from the perspective of a very small group of people.

the similarities between the religions are that one grew out of the other. differences are encountered because one accepted jesus as messiah and the apostle paul created a more free religion open to converts (he removed the necesity to follow the jewish law in all its detail)

you are asking a lot of very complicted questions, a few books would be your best bet for info

the new testament would not be sacred for jews becuase they rejected jesus as messiah.

the prophecies linking jesus as the jewish messiah are retrospective prophecies as people sought to prove he is the messiah. the story of his birth is probably a fabrication put in to demonstrate his links to prophecies. this is very complicated but i would encourage you to study it cos you seem very curious.jews don't believe jesus is the messiah becuase they interpret the very same prophecies in a completely different way christians do.

both viewpoints are backed up in great detail and neither side wil change or back down

answer: No, it's not. The biggest roadblock is how Christianity arrogantly claims that Judaism and Jews are wrong in sticking with our ETERNAL covenant with G-d and that we have our own prophecies wrong.

There is no "OT" in Judaism. There is only the Tanakh, what your OT is BASED on. They are not the same thing and the NT is irrelevant. Jesus failed to meet the requirements of the Jewish Messiah and Christianity is an incompatible religion with Judaism.

Reasons Jesus wasn’t the Jewish Messiah

divine birth/divinity - (the Jewish Messiah will be human – G-d cannot become human – Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 44:6, Hosea 11:9, Ezekiel 28:2, Numbers 23:19)

performing miracles - (JM won't perform miracles)

taking on the sins of others - (no one can take on the sins of others – Deuteronomy 24:16, Exodus 32:30-35, Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27)

breaking Sabbath - strike (JM will be observant)

sacrificed/rising from the dead - (G-d rejects human sacrifice and blood sacrifice is NOT an absolute requirement – Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38, Ezekiel 16:20, Leviticus 5:11-13, Jonah 3:10, Leviticus 17, Leviticus 5:11-13, Numbers 16:47, Numbers 31:50, Isaiah 6:6-7, Jeremiah 7:22-23, Psalm 51:16-17)

prophecies unfilled - (JM will accomplish them in one life time)

The Messiah cannot trace his lineage through Jehoiakim, Jeconiah, or Shealtiel, because this royal line was cursed (I Chronicles 3:15-17; Jeremiah 22:18,30). But according to both Matthew 1:11-12 and Luke 3:27, Jesus was a descendant of Shealtiel

being worshiped - Jews worship G-d and only G-d

G-d is not a man that he should be deceitful nor a son of man that he should relent. (Numbers 23:19)

I will not act on My wrath, will not turn to destroy Ephraim. For I am G-d, not man, The Holy One in your midst. (Hosea 11:9)

Moreover, the Glory of Israel does not deceive or change His mind, for He is not human that He should change His mind. (1 Samuel 15:29)

He is not a man, like me, that I can answer him, that we can go to law together. No arbiter is between us, to lay his hand on us both. (Job 9:32-33)

Will you still say, “I am a god” before your slayers, when you are proved a man, not a god, at the hands of those who strike you down? (Ezekiel 28:9)

For your own sake, therefore, be most careful – since you saw no shape when the Lord your G-d spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. (Hosea 4:15)

For I am the Lord, I change not. (Malachi 3:6)

(thanks to What Jews Believe and PBW)

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- have dietary restrictions but not the same ones

CHRISTIANITY

- has no dietary restrictions

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- set prayers but not the same

CHRISTIANITY

- no set prayers

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- says that no human can ever die for the sins of others

CHRISTIANITY

- says that Jesus died for the sins of mankind

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- says that all humans are born pure, and innocent

CHRISTIANITY

- some say that all humans are born with 'original sin'.

JUDAISM

- says that G-d would never allow/enable a 'virgin birth'

CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM

- says that Mary gave birth, though a virgin

JUDAISM

- says that no man gets a 'second coming'

CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM (but do not believe Jesus was G-d)

- says that Jesus will have a 'second coming'

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- says that every human should speak directly to G-d

CHRISTIANITY

- Jesus claims in the 'new testament' that the 'only way' to G-d is via him

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- says G-d is one, indivisible, cannot be separated into three aspects/incarnations

CHRISTIANITY

- some sects speaks of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- says that we are ALL equally G-d's children

CHRISTIANITY

- says that Jesus was 'god's son' above all others

JUDAISM

- has no concept of 'hell'

CHRISTIANITY

- *some* Christians believe non-believers go to 'hell'

ISLAM

- some Christians and Jews will go to hell and all other non-Muslims go to hell

JUDAISM

- has no 'devil', the Jewish 'Satan' is just an ordinary angel, under G-d's control

CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM

- describes 'Satan' as a devil and 'fallen' angel

JUDAISM

- the 'messiah' will be a normal, mortal man who must fulfill all the Jewish messianic prophecies in one normal, mortal lifetime

CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM (but not that Jesus was part of a trinity or G-d)

- Jesus was the 'messiah' and will fulfill the prophecies when he 'returns'

JUDAISM

- says that the righteous of ALL faiths will reach 'gan eden' or 'garden of eden'.

CHRISTIANITY

- some Christians insist that only those who 'know Christ' can reach heaven

ISLAM

- Muslims and some Christians and Jews will reach heaven but Muslims will have it better

JUDAISM

- forbids Jews from trying to convert anyone to Judaism

CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM

- believes in actively 'witnessing' and encouraging people to convert to Christianity/Islam

JUDAISM/ISLAM

- no concept of original sin

CHRISTIANITY

- some sects of Christianity believe in “original sin” to justify the need for a savior. Others believe that humankind cannot keep from sinning and requires a savior to cleanse them.

Of course Jesus lived as a Jew. The first Christians were all Jews.

Most Jews today believe that a Messiah is coming and some acknowledge Jesus as a prophet of the Jewish people.

Of course it was after Jesus died that Christianity became a religion.

How could there be Christianity before Jesus?

Christian: follower of the Christ.

"Didn't the ones who converted to Christianity once practice Judaism?"

Of course because THEY WERE JEWS.

Biggest reason is that Jews and Christians are not the same religion. I wouldn't call Christianity an off-shoot of Judaism. Christianity makes a lot of claims. The Jews invented their religion so I would suspect they know when someone is pulling one over on them with additional requirements such as believing in something foreign to their beliefs. Christianity is to Judaism what Mormonism is to Christianity--a start up religion making claims it is one more revelation of the last religion.

Christians and Jews do not read the same bible. You won't find a New Testament in a synagogue. Why should a Jew believe it? Christians don't read it.

Prophecies are written after the fact and only Christians believe Iesus was the result of prophetic revelation in the Torah.

No sweetie, it's that your claim that Jesus is part of your God concept.

Actually there is no "roadblock" between Jews & Christians. We are two different religions, that are getting on together quite well these days. At least Jews think so. There's a GREAT interfaith site that will tell you more than I ever could:

http://www.jcrelations.net/

More actually, there is a roadblock. It's this arrogant attitude of claiming "the fact that the Jews don't acknowledge Jesus." That arrogance at Judaism as having some obligation to Christianity - has been a problem for a long time & by problem I mean leading to hatreds at Jews & violence. So to us, it is a roadblock.

It is arrogant attitudes such as yours--you fail to acknowledge that Judaism is a complete religion unto itself that is vastly different from Christianity in many, many ways (not just the complete absence of your beloved Jesus). Change your attitude, have some tolerance and respect for us, and maybe YOUR relationship with Jews will improve.

Nope. The biggest "roadblock" between Jews and Christians is that Christian worship a dead human being. The messiah will be mortal and will not be worshiped. God is One and does not become human.

Secondly, the God of Israel does not condemn His children to eternal torment.

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I won't bother reading your additional details (probably just ranting anyway)... just answer the initial question....

Of course it's the biggest road block between Jews & Christians. Jews do not believe that Jesus was the Messiah because he did not fulfil Messianic prophecies & also the Messiah (in Jewish tradition) is not supposed to be "divine". The Christians think of Jesus as "divine"; the Son of God... & that is one heck of a road block.

The easy answer, and perhaps the most accurate, is that we live in a fallen world. It's not that the Jews reject wholesale, Jesus as their Messiah, it's that the world rejects wholesale the LORD is their God.

Study just the Old Testament and you'll see that Adam and Eve rejected the LORD even while He was in their presence. The Israelites built false idols, worshipped pagan gods and married outside their faith. Then they rejected God again, asking to be ruled by men like the other nations.

Jews killing Jesus and Jews rejecting Jesus as their Messiah gets all the press, but the fact is Jesus is the Savior of the world, not only the Jews. Paul made that very clear in Romans 10:12-13 when he said: For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

The roadblock, as you so accurately call it, is not between Christian and Jew, but between God and man.