For those against dog breeding?

I would never eat a burger that was linebreed, inbreed, selective breed or breed to USDA standards.

And I like my burger to be mixed with pork..better flavor and had hybrid vigor!

People who breed show cattle are in it for the ribbons only, and don't care about the cattle because they are mutants!

mixed meats are better!

;)

Many people who show dogs, do not spay/neuter them. It is against the rules in most shows. These people however, are usually very responsible dog owners. Taking time, money and lots of energy to devote to the breed. I think that people who either want to be so called "breeders" and have no idea of the time, money and dedication needed are one source of the problem. Also, people who can't or won't spend the money, people who get a dog as a status symbol, and it gets old soon, people who gets pets on a whim, then decide they really "do not have the time", overall general losers. I have seen people walking huge pit's, mastiffs, etc. all fancied up in heavy collars, and looking really impressive, and they are not neutered, for the "masculine" factor. Then when the thrill wears off, the dog runs loose and starts impregnating the neighborhood females. It's terrible. I agree with spay/neuter programs, but I don't think it will ever be made law.

I don't understand why you're comparing people breeding dogs to sell as pets to breeding animals that will be turned into food. We *need* to eat. We don't *need* purebred dogs as pets.

I agree, and guess what, all the selective breeding for race horses is just as bad, when they are finished if not rescued, they are slaughtered and put in dog foods....and soap.

That is also called selective breeding,

dogs end up in shelters

cattle selective breeding, good steaks and burgers

chickens, eggs, chicken soup, bang your dead

sheep, nice sweater

lambs, lamb chops

all for selective breeding.

I am against the unnecessary over and over breeding of a dog, that gets her so run down, the pups are sick, runts that cant walk, or jut purely bred to sell for money only, no cares for the health of the dog, only how fat their wallets can get..that I am against.

8 Ball.... You deserve BA for that response! I highly suggest you create 10 or 12 sock accounts ASAP so you can pointgame and vote yourself BA! :-)

Ravyn- you well know how I feel about this topic. Unfortunately, the ones this is directed at WON'T get it. In fact... our oh-so-special resident POMCHI breeder further proves her ignorance (as if she had to) by preaching so strongly against purebred dogs and showing... all the while she breeds and shows AQHA registered Quarter Horses.

Now... I don't know how many of you know ANYTHING about Quarter Horses, but horses are my first love. The QH breed has been bastardized into a shadow if it's former self... much like some dog breeds. To win in the halter ring-the horse version of the breed ring- QHs are pumped up with steriods to build muscle mass at a young age. They are bred to have TINY hooves-horse shoe size 00- which often leads to crippling navicular disease. Worse yet, there is a fatal genetic disease called HYPP-Hyperkalemic periodic paralysis- that goes back to *1* stallion/bloodline who was WILDLY popular as a halter horse. This condition can strike without warning, causing the horse to fall to the ground, paralyzed (imagine being ON the horse when this happens!), and the horse cannot breath since heart and lungs are paralyzed as well. I wonder if Ms. POMCHI tests her horses for HYPP before breeding them, since she doesn't believe in health testing her dogs?

She has bragged here before that she sells her weanling colts for $2500; I follow the horse market regularly. The ONLY weanlings selling for $2500 are from TOP QUALITY lines. The average QH foal is selling for under $500. Many end up at auction, going to kill buyers, loaded on a double-decker trailer for a slaughterhouse in Canada or Mexico. She doesn't care about the shelter dogs... I wonder how she feels about this?

ADDED:

This is a 'minor' hypp attack:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xcFHcqQ8W0

Sorry for going off topic here; she just brings out things in me that anger me as no other.

Oh yes, good analogy. That theme can be taken even further. Do they object to the careful and selective breeding of cotton plants to increase yield and decrease the need for pesticides? Do they object to the variety of rosebushes available? To the development of high yield egg laying chickens? Well done.

I just have a problem with un-resonsible BYB's who let their dogs mate, but by time they know it their female is having puppies and they run to yahoo answers asking: "WHAT DO I DO?!?! MY DOG IS HAVING PUPPIES! HELP ME!!1!11!1". Like, you should have thought of that BEFORE you bred your dog?

I do not have a problem with responsible breeders who know how to breed a dog, and knows basically all the important stuff about breeding.

Don't you just hate when people jump into this argument (or any) with out the proper research and valid points to make?

Now HERE is a good way to hold a debate, thought provoking, point making, true statements and having the argument put forward in a polite manner and no flying off the handle like a loony and also the ability to differentiate between that good and the bad (reputable vs non reputable)

Well obviously I agree with you on this, don't have much more to add, you've said it well.

Good point. I agree that people have absolutely no idea about how much selective breeding goes on in the food animal industry. They would be shocked.

maybe you should have put in the headline "for those against selective dog breeding?"

My input.. even mother nature uses selective breeding. Weak or unhealthy animals will not live long enough to reproduce.. they will succumb to illness, injury, starvation, or be killed by a predator. In many species, mating is a right reserved to the Alpha of the pack/herd/group... only the BEST animals get this top position, which means only the BEST animal in the group reserves the right to pass on his/her genes.

Heidi, majority of dogs would die out. Those cute little "pomchis" and other designer mutts would be eaten first. The purebreds we have today serve a function and purpose for what WE need, and we have to do proper tests and assements to continue healthy functional dogs...

In nature tho, only dogs that could functionably survive on their own would survive.. yes it would end up being mixes because dogs would randomly mate, but they would eventually revert back to sharing similar traits, suited for life in the wild. They would be about medium sized dogs, with a short, prick ears, and a thick undercoat (similar to a shepherd or husky).. most of them would be a brownish or greyish color. Thru mother nature's own selective breeding, they would evolve to develop the proper traits for life in the wild. You wouldnt see randomly bred poodle mutts, "chugs", or any other such dogs.

This has even been witnessed in some areas.. poor countries where wild or "street dogs" are commonly seen.. most of them share certain traits. They dont really resemble any of our recognized breeds, but do fit the description I just gave. These dogs often dont make good pets, they cant herd, or hunt.. they were bred to survive, not to work with humans.

They don't understand that their baby back ribs or buffalo chicken was selectively bred. They are oblivious to this fact.