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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 1 decade ago

Do you think more Bible based Christians will reject the Holy Trinity?

Catholics, Orthodox and mainline protestants believe in the Holy Trinity.

Among fundamentalists/evangelicals who claim to be Bible based Christians, belief in "The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ" is among their 5 fundamentals of the Christian faith.

But I have seen posters here who say that they are Christians but reject the Holy Trinity as non-Biblical doctrine. Are there many Bible believing Christians like these? Is the belief in the literal interpretation of the Bible leading some away from the belief in the Holy Trinity? Are there fundamentalist/evangelical groups who believe in Christ's divinity but reject the Trinity?

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Yes, I do think that Satan will continue to lure people further away from the Christian Church and the denying of the Trinity and the Divinity of our Lord has proven to be a great tool to deceive people away from Christianity. Arianism is an ancient heresy that grew under the Roman Emperor Constantine who supported the heterodox Arians against the Christians. He was Baptized on his death bed by the Arians.

    It is impossible to be a Christian and deny the true nature of God in the Trinity. This is a 2000 year old teaching of the Church. There are many sects that have the foundation of Arianism:

    Jehovah Witnesses

    Ang Dating Daan

    Iglesia ni Cristo

    Christadelphians

    and various Pentecostals and other schismatic groups

    Mormons are henotheistic which believes in innumerable gods

    The literal understanding of the Bible does not in any way detract from the teaching of the Trinity. What these groups practice is eisegesis which means they use the Bible to support their man-made doctrines which in truth are not biblical.

    Some of these groups believe that Jesus is a god like creation but not a God in the Christian definition of God. God bless!

    In Christ

    Fr. Joseph

    Note:

    Those calling themselves oneness Christians are not Christians at all but follow the heresy of Arianism. The belief in the Trinity is the fundamental belief in Christianity. Their belief denies that Jesus was the Messiah and the Savior of the world in which case we still await the Messiah prophesied. It denies the totality of the Gospel. Contrary to their teaching Jesus was the Lamb of God and was the perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. He was not a pretender and a liar. When confronting these Arians ask them to give you book, chapter and verse where they have any authority to teach or to form doctrine. They do not have any authority and are false teachers pretending to be Christian. The Bible describes them as ravaging wolves and they should be avoided.

    Note:

    Kevin, I noticed that you do not allow emails like most of the people on here who are critical of Christian beliefs.

    I went directly to the website you quoted from and it is absolutely the most convoluted circular argument I have ever read on any doctrinal issue. It makes no sense and contradicts itself at least three times. The author reminded me of someone who tries to dance to win the adoration of another only to find out that their two left feet has the opposite effect.

    Forgive me, but I am a former seminary professor and I detest plagiarism. You would have received a 0 on this assignment if you were one of my students. The author was Jason Dulle. Tell the truth in the future and give credit to your sources.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    There are many things about this, that since it is beyond the normal teachings of the Bible, is out of reach for many. Including an understanding of the Trinity. But many don't know how corporations work as separate individual entities either so I'm not surprised how this too is a bit out of range. The Bible does not say everything. It is at best a clue as to what more can be out there than just what is written in the Bible. The Bible doesn't tell you how to drive a car or pass the driver test but yet you do it if you want to drive. So too, concepts such as these seem to hide amongst some very complicated meanings and when one looks deeply into it, one finds out just how complicated things really are up there on the higher more complex planes of reality.

  • ELMO
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    Oneness Pentecostals believe in Christ's divinity but reject the Trinity. :)

    The most commonly used Hebrew word of God is Elohim. This is the original word in almost every Old Testament passage where we see the English word God. It is the plural form of the Hebrew word Eloah, which means God or deity.

    Most scholars agree that the use of the plural word Elohim indicates God's greatness or His multiple attributes; it does not imply a plurality of persons or personalities. The Jews certainly do not see the plural form as compromising their strong monotheism. Flanders and Cresson explain that the plural usage in Hebrew has a certain function other than to indicate plurality: "The form of the word, Elohim, is plural. The Hebrews pluralized nouns to express greatness or majesty."

    The fact that God became flesh is one of the most wonderful and yet one of the most incomprehensible things about God. "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh…" (I Timothy 3:16). Jesus is like no other man that ever has been or will be. He has two natures; He is fully God and fully man. Most problems in people's minds concerning the Godhead come from this great mystery. They cannot understand the dual nature of Christ and cannot correctly separate his two roles. They cannot comprehend how God could take on the form of a baby and live among men.

    It is true that we cannot comprehend fully how the miraculous conception - the union of God and man - took place in the womb of Mary, but we can accept it by faith. In fact, if we do not believe that Jesus is come in the flesh we have an antichrist spirit (II John 7), but if we do accept this doctrine of Christ we will have both the Father and the Son (II John 9). Both Father and Son are revealed in Christ (John 10:30; 14:6-11). The one God of Israel came to the earth in flesh.

    Everything that God is Jesus is. Jesus IS the one God.

    Source(s): Oneness Pentecostal Christian
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    A literal interpretation of the Bible will cause a person to realize that the "Holy Trinity" is in fact a false, man-made doctrine.

    There is only one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). He is the Creator of heaven and earth, and of all living beings. He has revealed Himself to humanity as the Father (Creator), in the Son (Savior), and as the Holy Ghost (indwelling Spirit).

    God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is the Eternal One, the Creator of all things, and the Father of all humanity by creation.

    He is the First and the Last, and beside Him there is no God (Isaiah 44:6).

    There was no God formed before Him; neither shall there be after Him (Isaiah 43:10).

    Jesus is the Son of God according to the flesh (Romans 1:3) and the very God Himself according to the Spirit (Matthew 1 :23). Jesus is the Christ (Matthew 16:16); the Creator of all things (Colossians 1:16-17); God with us (Matthew 1:23); God made flesh (John 1:1-14); God manifested in the flesh (I Timothy 3:16; He which was, which is, and which is to come, the Almighty (Revelation 1:8); the mighty God, everlasting Father, and Prince of peace (Isaiah 9:6).

    Jesus Himself testified of His identity as God when He said, "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:7-11) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

    It took shedding of blood for the remission of the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:22), but God the Father was a Spirit and had no blood to shed. Thus He prepared a body of flesh and blood (Hebrews 10:5) and came to earth as a man in order to save us for in Isaiah 43:11 He said, "Beside me there is no Saviour." When He came in flesh the angels sang, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).

    The Holy Ghost is not a third person in the Godhead, but rather the Spirit of God (the Creator), the Spirit of the resurrected Christ. The Holy Ghost comes to dwell in the hearts and lives of everyone who believes and obeys the gospel, as the Comforter, Sustainer, and Keeper (John 14:16-26; Romans 8:9-11).

    Paulette

    Apostolic Believer In One God, Jesus

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  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, I do think that God will continue to draw people away from false teachings.

    The Bible uses the term Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit to refer to the one God. This describes what God is and emphasizes God in activity (Genesis 1:2), particularly in activity related to man such as regenerating, baptizing, filling, and anointing (Acts 1:4-8; 2:1-4).

    The Bible also uses the term Word to refer to the one God, particularly to the thought, plan, or expression of God (John 1:1, 14).

    In the New Testament, God manifested Himself in the flesh in the person of Jesus Christ. This manifestation of God is called the Son of God (not God the Son) because He was literally conceived in the womb of a woman by the miraculous operation of the Spirit of God (Matthew 1:18-20; Luke 1:35). Thus the word Son never denotes deity alone, but always describes God as manifested in the flesh, in Christ (Matthew 25:31), and sometimes describes Christ's humanity alone (Romans 5:10). We do not say that the Father is the Son, but that the Father is in the Son. We cannot separate the Son from the Incarnation (Galatians 4:4). Therefore, the Son did not pre-exist the Incarnation except as a plan in the mind of God, namely as the Word.

    Jesus Christ is the Son of God - God in flesh (Matthew 1:21-23). He has a dual nature - human and divine, or flesh and Spirit. In other words, two complete natures are united inseparably in the person of Jesus Christ. In His human nature Jesus is the son of Mary. In His divine nature Jesus is the one God Himself (II Corinthians 5:19; Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3:16). Jesus is the Father (Isaiah 9:6; John 10:30; 14:6-11), Jehovah (Jeremiah 23:6), the Word (John 1:14), and the Holy Spirit (II Corinthians 3:17; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 3:16-17).

    "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power."

    Colossians 2:8-10

    Source(s): A=Apostolic B=Believer I=In O=One G=God JESUS
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Bible study + prayer will reveal the truth of the Bible to those who desire to know who God really is.

    The Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the oneness of God and the absolute deity of Jesus Christ. The early Christians believed this great truth, and many people have adhered to it throughout history. Although in the course of history trinitarianism became the predominant doctrine in Christendom, the Scriptures do not teach it. In fact, the Bible nowhere mentions or alludes to the word trinity, the phrase "three persons in one substance," or the phrase "three persons in one God."

    Trinitarianism contradicts and detracts from important biblical teachings. It detracts from the Bible's emphasis on God's absolute oneness, and it detracts from Jesus Christ's full deity. Trinitarian doctrine as it exists today did not develop fully and the majority of Christendom did not accept it fully until the fourth century after Christ.

    God the Father did not so love the world that He sent another person "God the Son," to die and reconcile the world to the Father. On the contrary, it teaches that God the Father so loved the world that He robed Himself in flesh and gave of Himself as the Son of God to reconcile the world to Himself (II Corinthians 5:19). The one Jehovah God of the Old Testament, the great Creator of the universe, humbled Himself in the form of man so that man could see Him, understand Him, and communicate with Him. He made a body for Himself, called the Son of God.

    God Himself provided a means of redemption for mankind: "He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him" (Isaiah 59:16). His own arm provided salvation. A proper understanding of the Son, therefore, has the effect of magnifying and glorifying the Father. In His role as the Son, Jesus prayed to the Father, "I have glorified thee on the earth… I have manifested thy name… I have declared unto them thy name" (John 17:4, 6, 26). The Father has both revealed Himself to the world and reconciled the world to Himself through the Son.

    The HOLY GHOST is not the third person in the Godhead, but rather the manifestation of the Spirit of God (the Creator), and of the resurrected Christ, coming to dwell in the hearts and lives of all

    men who will be obedient to the gospel, and the Comforter, Sustainer, and the Keeper (John 14:16-26; Rom 8:11).

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    ~~ADDED~~cristoiglesia, your comments about Oneness people make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    We DO NOT deny that Jesus is the Messiah; nor do we follow Arianism, you are either confused or lying.

    Colossians 2:9 makes it very clear that ALL the FULNESS of the Godhead dwells in Jesus; we Oneness Christians believe that, you obviously believe that Jesus is in the Godhead despite what the Bible says.

    Also, you are in disobedience to the word of God by refusing to be baptized in the name of Jesus.

    Did not Peter COMMAND Jesus name baptism? (Acts 2:38)

    Did not Peter have the keys to the kingdom? (Matt. 16:19)

    Revelation 3:8 says, I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

    You have denied His name; may God have mercy on your soul.

    God bless!

    Manuel

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    that sounds about right, since the Word "trinity" does not appear in the scripture, they'd say, there is no such thing as that in the bible. That is how ALL protestants come to their erroneous conclusions about their business of Interpreting the holy scriptures. For them, it has to be spelled out in direct and elementary terminology in order for them to actually believe something. another worthy note on this subject would be the fact that the catholic church spoke out at a time in history when there was much error and confusion on the truth of trinity, and since it was the catholic church who gave the world the truth of the trinity, it will be rejected, in time, because the protestants hate the messenger.

  • 1 decade ago

    if they were bible based they would see that god is a trinity

    Are there many Bible believing Christians like these?

    no if they reject the trinity they do not believe the bible and what it says

    Is the belief in the literal interpretation of the Bible leading some away from the belief in the Holy Trinity?

    no their refusal to accept what god says causes them to make up their own doctrine and believe lies

    Are there fundamentalist/evangelical groups who believe in Christ's divinity but reject the Trinity?

    no if you believe jesus is divine then he is god.

    1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

  • 1 decade ago

    Yes, there are many people who see the godhead is found in Jesus the Christ. One of the greatest proofs of this is this. On the last day with his apostles and disciples, after his resurrection, but before he ascended into the clouds of glory, he gave the great commission. He commanded them to go unto all of the world teaching remission and forgiveness of sins in his name. Commanding all to be baptized in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

    And when the Apostles followed through with this command, they baptized in the Name of Jesus the Christ. So, it is clear that the Apostles understood the godhead, and they baptized in the name of Christ, and not once in the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. And until peope see the deity of Jesus the Christ, they will not find the need to fulfill the rest of the gospel of Jesus. Repentance is a must, baptism in Jesus's name is a must, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost is a must...but from the Trinitarian point of view. One does not have to be baptized, (contrary to scripture), one recieves the Holy Spirit when the profess the canned "I accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour" prayer, ( that canned prayer is not found in the Scriptures neither, nor is it witnessed that a soul recieves the Spirit when they first believe...it is all throuought the book of Acts, that the teaching of the need to receive the Holy Ghost was taught to believers who were already "believers, yet without the anointing"....read if for yourself. So, if one does not receive the Spirit upon profession of belief, then there must be some conflict between the Word of God, and Churchianity doctrines....)

    I am a believer in God. But it is clear that Jesus is the Expressed Image of God the Father, and that God is a Spirit, and this Spirit dwelt bodily inside of Christ Jesus. Thus, making this man the Anointed One, and both Lord and Christ.

    Also when Jesus spoke unto his disciples telling them to "believe also in him" he said, "You believe in the the Father, believe also in me...." He was bringing an equality between himself and the God into existence. He states later that "when Phillip had seen him, he had seen the Father"....Declaring that the Father was in him and he in the Father. When one believed upon Jesus then by default one believed upon the One the sent him.

    There is no Co-Eternal, Co-powerful, Co-Existing 3. There is only one throne in heaven. There is only One who sits upon it.

    If the Holy Ghost overshadowed Miriam, then in all actuality the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus the Christ. Yet, Jesus never once gave, nor gives he any credit nor praise nor acknowledgment to the supposed 3rd person of a trinity.

    The concept of 3 in one, could be turned and seen as 1 in three. But the Son is begotten so that eliminates the Co-eternal part of the Son, he was made in the likeness of sinful flesh by the will of God. (Now he was the LOGOS which means Idea, Concept, Image, Icon...) But Jesus was never in the body of human flesh nor was that body in existence before it was made in the image of man.

    The Trinity as we know it was a manmade doctrine. It was never mentioned nor practiced in the Early First Church. In fact it was created by Constantine in 325 a.d. at the Council of Nicea. This council was called forth, exactly for the same questioning that you are inquiring about today.

    It was the Roman Catholic Church that first promoted and started indoctrinating mankind in this philosophy. But when we look at the Roman Catholics, they seem to not have only misdirected many on the godhead, but also in baptism, the priesthood, the papal authority, the confessional process, the infilling of the Holy Ghost, the praying to idols and dead persons, the Mother Mary conundrum....I could go on and on, but one of the most vital things to see about the fallacy of mankinds manmade doctrines is this, this Catholic Church used to torture and murder people all in the name of God. They were wrong on many levels, and many items concerning salvation and Christianity. So, for them to have been wrong on the godhead is no small possibility that the manmade doctrine of the Trinity is any more errorless than any other part of their dogma.

    When we look at the doctrines of Churchianity today, not to be confused with or for Christianity we see two different Jesuses. One is the Image of God, the other is the 2nd person of a godhead. But the Scriptures are clear about the diety of Christ. He was both Son of God, Son of Man.

    In the Spirit and by the forknowledge and ordination of God the Father, Jesus was God the Father in the flesh of man. In the Spirit he was the Father. Pertaining to redemption he was and is the Lamb of God, the ONLY MEDIATOR between heaven and Earth, between God and mankind. In the flesh he was tempted and just as capable to sin as anyone else, yet he did not sin. And because of his sinlessness, it is this factor that permitted him t

  • Mindy
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    The unholy Trinity is as disgusting as a pile of cow dung.

    Yeppers that right, I SAID IT, I said; "as disgusting as a pile of cow dung" and yes, you can quote me on that.

    What?

    Is that being disrespectful of other people's beliefs?

    If what I said is disrespectful then the same could be said of God Almighty's prophet Elijah who said about the false god Baal DIRECTLY to the worshipers of Baal:

    "And it came about at noon that E·li′jah began to mock them and say: “Call at the top of YOUR voice, for he is a god; for he must be concerned with a matter, and he has excrement and has to go to the privy (the bathroom). Or maybe he is asleep and ought to wake up!”

    ~1 Kings 18:27~

    Could it be said that Elijah was being disrespectful to those worshipers of Baal for saying that their false god had to take a crap (has excrement) and has to go to the bathroom as 1 Kings 18:27 brings out?

    Did God Almighty counsel Elijah for being "disrespectful" to the worshipers of Baal for mocking their false god?

    Hardly.

    The only people who would have thought that Elijah was being disrespectful would have been the Baal worshipers... but they were later all put to death as the account continues.

    Just as Baal was and is a false god, so is the unholy Trinty.

    Some spiritually blind people try to say that God is One God Three persons.

    Is THAT really the truth of what the Bible says, shows and teaches? I beg to differ. The Bible says, shows and teaches the following:

    "Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah."

    ~Deuteronomy 6:4~

    "Repent, therefore, and turn around so as to get YOUR sins blotted out, that seasons of refreshing may come from THE PERSON (not persons) of Jehovah"

    ~Acts 3:19~

    "Je′hu the son of Ha·na′ni the visionary now went out before him and said to King Je·hosh′a·phat: “Is it to the wicked that help is to be given, and is it for those hating Jehovah that you should have love? And for this there is indignation against you from THE PERSON (not persons) of Jehovah."

    ~2 Chronicles 19:2~

    "Accordingly Jehovah said to Satan: “Look! Everything that he has is in your hand. Only against him himself do not thrust out your hand!” So Satan went out away from THE PERSON (not persons) of Jehovah."

    ~Job 1:12~

    "One God Three persons"... hardly.

    Jehovah is simply the Almighty ONE God, ONE person (not persons / not plural).

    Jesus Christ is simply the only begotten Son of Almighty Jehovah God (John 3:16) and is a Mighty God himself (Isaiah 9:6), but not the Almighty God.

    The holy spirit is simply God's powerful holy active force and is NOT a person (Genesis 1:2; Acts 2:4).

    The unholy Trinity is simply as disgusting as a pile of cow dung.

    ~Edit~: As far as those here who are desperately trying to say that Jesus Christ is in fact Jehovah/Yahweh, Jesus own words at John 8:54 are proof positive that he was not and is not Almighty Jehovah/Yahweh:

    “Jesus answered [the Jews]: ‘If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your God.’”

    The Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament) clearly identify Jehovah as the God that the Jews professed to worship (Psalm 83:18 KJV Bible of 1611 [click the link to actually see and read it for yourself]: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%... ).

    Jesus said, NOT that he himself was Jehovah, but that Jehovah WAS HIS FATHER. Jesus here made it very clear that he and his Father were TWO distinct individuals.

    Also Psalm 110:1 is another of the MANY scriptures which undeniably shows that Jesus and Almighty Jehovah are not and cannot be the SAME person:

    “The utterance of Jehovah to my [David’s] Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’”

    At Matthew 22:41-45, Jesus explained that he himself was David’s “Lord,” referred to in this psalm. So Jesus IS NOT Jehovah but is the one TO WHOM ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH'S WORDS WERE HERE DIRECTED.

    Consequently, Psalm 83:18 in the King James Version Bible of 1611 doesn't call JEHOVAH the MOST HIGH (meaning Almighty) for nothing.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%...

    {Psalm 83:18 (King James Version)}

    ;-)

    Ciao

    Source(s): I proudly study the Bible intensely with Jehovah's Witnesses.
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    cristoiglesia:

    Why would you think that Oneness people deny the deity of Christ? Oneness people insist on the full deity of Christ. (Col. 2:9) Where Trinitarians and Oneness differ is not in the fact that one confesses the full deity of Christ whereas the other does not, but whether or not the eternal deity Christ is the same personal deity as the Father, or a distinct person in the Godhead; whether the deity of Christ is a distinct eternal personality in the Godhead from the Father, or whether His deity is that of the Father, but incarnated in flesh.

    You evidently assume we deny the distinctions between the Father and Son. We do not. We just place them in a different place and time than you. The distinction between the Father and Son is absolutely essential in Oneness theology. The distinction, however, is not in distinct eternal persons in the Godhead, but between God beyond the incarnation, and God in the incarnation. When God assumed a human existence, with a complete human mind, psyche, will, emotions, etc., this existence was in distinction to His continued transcendent existence beyond the incarnation. As a genuine human being, Jesus is distinct from the Father; distinct because of His humanity, not because He is a second divine person in the Godhead.

    While we confess that the deity of the Son of God preexisted the incarnation, we do not see that preexisting deity as a second person known as the "Son" in contradistinction to Father/Spirit, but rather as the one uni-personal God of the OT, YHWH.

    We only see one person in the Godhead, YHWH. He is uni-personal, not tri-personal. That one uni-personal God became a man, not the second person of a tri-personal God. In Oneness theology the deity of the Son (humanity and deity) is known as YHWH before the incarnation, and "Son" only after the incarnation, to distinguish God's new existence as a human being (the God-man) from God's continued existence beyond humanity (Father). In the incarnation "Son" and "Father" are used to describe the relationship between God transcendent and God immanent in flesh.

    The fact that we deny the notion that the deity of the Son is a distinct person in the Godhead cannot be interpreted to mean that we deny Christ's deity, or that we make Christ out to be less than God. In fact, our position that the deity of the Father and the deity of the Son is the same person makes defending the deity of the Son simple, because it is the same personal deity in each case, and therefore the same identity and properties. It is the Trinitarian view which has to go to great lengths to prove that Jesus' deity is that of YHWH just like the Father, because Trinitarian theology makes the Son's deity a distinct deity from the Father. Trinitarians have to first demonstrate that the Son is coequal, coeternal, and consubstantial with the Father before they can declare/demonstrate that the Son's deity is YHWH. Oneness theology identifies the deity of the Son with the deity of the Father, therefore, the identity of the Father automatically proves that the deity of the Son is also YHWH and eternal.

    We identify the deity of the Son as the uni-personal God, YHWH, while you identify Christ's pre-existing deity as "God the Son," the second person of the Trinity. We believe it was the eternal uni-personal God who became flesh while you believe it was the second person of a tri-personal God that became flesh. Either way, we have the same concept as far as Christ's eternal deity is concerned, so it cannot be said that we deny Christ's deity.

    Also, how is denying the distinct personal deity of the Son from the Father a denial of Jesus? This has no bearing on the eternal nature of the deity of the Son. Of course we don't believe that Christ's deity is a distinct person in the Godhead, but we do believe His deity is eternal because we identify His deity with the Father.

    You have confused the issue of whether or not Oneness will confess that Christ's eternal pre-existing deity is a distinct, second distinct person in the triune Godhead, or whether or not his eternal pre-existing deity is the same as the Father, with the issue of whether or not we believe Christ's deity is God at all. You seem to believe that if one denies that Jesus' deity is a distinct personal deity from the Father that they must not believe in Jesus' deity, but such falsely assumes that Trinitarianism is the only way to maintain Christ's ontological and consubstantial deity with the Father. It is not. Oneness is more firm in its affirmation than is Trinitarianism in this respect because we do divide up the Godhead into distinct persons, but affirm one personal God who Himself became a man. Therefore Christ's deity is the deity of the Father incarnated in flesh, with no distinction, and thus no need to compare one person to another to see if they share the same essence.

    So making the issue out to be whether or not one calls Christ's eternal, preexisting deity as "Son," viewing Him as a distinct person from the Father, has no logical correlation to whether or not one sees Christ's deity as the one God in His fullness, eternal, and uncreated. You cannot dismiss this fact simply because we do not see Christ's deity as a second person in the Godhead.

    May God open your eyes to the truth.

    P.S. Can you give me book, chapter & verse where ANYONE was baptized any other way than in the name of Jesus?

    You are in serious error by your refusal to obey Gods word.

    (Acts 2:38, Acts 4:12 & Colossians 3:17)

    ADDED:

    Point well taken, I should have given credit to the author. :)

    Nonetheless, Jesus name baptism is still for today. Anyone who believes otherwise is putting their soul at great risk of eternal damnation.

    God bless!

    Kevin

    Oneness Pentecostal

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