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What does Messianic Jews believe on?
I thought Jews didn't believe in Jesus.
15 Answers
- allonyoavLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
You're right- Jews do NOT believe in Jesus, Christians do. Decent, honest Christians do not pretend otherwise- but "messianic judaism" does nto fall into that category! The vast majority of "messianic jews" have zero connection to Judaism aside from belonging to their missionary movement. A tiny percentage have a tenuous conneciton but would not be considered Jewish by Jewish standards and something like 1% were actually considered Jewish before converting to "messianic judaism".
The simple reality is, that even if they did have a connection prior to converting to Christianity (whether they want admit it or not, "messianic judaism" is just another Christian sect) once they converted they lost any connection that they had. The Torah is clear in Shmot (Exodus) Chapter 12 v43 that the Jew who converts to another religion is no longer a part of the Jewish community. This ruling is seen in the Talmud in masechta Sanhedrin where it is stated that an apikoros is not counted as a Jew and loses their place in the world to come (in other words, they are punished with kares (spiritual excission)). This same Mishnah is repeated at the start of masechta Avot in the Mishnah. Thi cutting off in this world and the next is reflected in rulings by the Rema in the Shulkhan Aruch (Yoreh Deah 268:12), Rambam in Hilchos Avodat Kochvim- and in the modern era in rulings by both HaRav Moshe Feinstein zs"l in Iggeros Moshe and the Satmar Rebbe (unsure of the exct reference for this last one).
Being ignorantof Judaism, the "messianic jews" try to counter this by taking a comment in the Talmud masechta Sanhedrin out of context- in reference to a passage in Yirmiyahu (Jeremiah)- the sages state that even when Israel sins, it remains Israel and does not loose its covenant with G-d. sadly, their simplistic understanding of the text, and ignoring context and the rest of the law on this matter, leads them into a serious error here. How so? Yes- they remain Jewish- and if they do not repent they are PUNISHED! In other words this remaining Jewish is a two edged sword- on the one hand, if they repent they can return to Judaism (how easy we should make that return is debated and subject to differing rulings by various authorities), bu if they do not repent, then, as per the Mishnah in masechta Sanhedrin (First Mishnah in Chapter Chelek (Chapter 11), Daf 90) and masechta Avos (introduction to the masechta) , they are punished with the most servere punishment possible! It doesn't matter that a non-Jew in the same religion doing exactly the same thing as them might be considered righteous, the Jew is judged and punished as a Jew, not as a non-Jew!
Source(s): Orthodox Jew; Acting Rabbi; Torah; Shulkan Aruch Yoreah Deah, Iggeros Moshe; Hilchos Avodat Kochavim; Talmud masechta Sanhedrin; Mishnah masechta Avos - Ambi valentLv 71 decade ago
Jews don't. So-called "Messianic Jews" are a bunch of people who have some disagreement with others who believe in the divinity of the man most Christians call Jesus and that they call Yeshua, and somehow think that because they don't agree with those people, they are therefore Jews. Some of them claim to have Jewish mothers, but all the research done suggests that that's a small proportion (having a Jewish mother makes you Jewish under Jewish law, unless you convert to another religion - which clearly they have done!!).
It's an insult that they call their religion Judaism. I'm truly willing to respect their religion and its difference from Christianity, but not their claim to be Jews (and some even argue that they are the 'real' Jews and all the rest of us "non-Messianic Jews" as they term us have got it wrong!!) The arrogance, disrespect and sheer nastiness is simply mind-boggling.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
You're right--we don't believe in Jesus.
"messianic Jews" are really Christians who fraudulently call themselves Jews.
Their beliefs mirror those of Baptists. They are nothing more than Baptists who mimic Jewish rituals and customs.
- Anonymous5 years ago
The earliest recorded trinity (triune godhead) was in ancient Babylon. So, yes, it is of pagan origin. Which is why scripture never calls God triune, persons, or trinity. Instead, it states over and over that God is ONE. Some Messianic Jews do believe in the trinity. Others understand the biblical truth that ALL of the Godhead, not just one "person" of it, was in Jesus (Col. 2:9).
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- Anonymous1 decade ago
Messianic Jews are not Jews, they are Christians. They adopt Jewish trappings but they have turned away from and denied the Jewish faith by holding Jesus to be the messiah when he failed utterly the messianic prophecies.
Messianic Jews are universally of two types:
1.) Christians who claim to be Jews, a lie, to decieve Jews, OR,
2.) Jews who were not well educated and bought the lies of the former type.
- 1 decade ago
They believe in Christianity, which is why they are Christian and not Jews. Pay no heed to the Christian insistence to the contrary. Jews know who is and isn't Jewish.
Source(s): Jew - scaerdrysLv 71 decade ago
Jews do not believe the Christian narrative about Jesus, no. It's not simply a matter of him not fulfilling our Messianic prophesies...it's the fact that, to accept him as divine, we would need to dismiss core beliefs in our religion---such as G-d cannot be human, G-d does not accept human sacrifice, G-d does not have 'sons', exc. So, while some Jews have follow false Messiahs in the past and remained Jewish, to accept those beliefs (in a divine Jesus) is more than error: it is apostacy. Which means that those who accept those beliefs are not Jews.
As a Jew, one cannot simply accept a set of beliefs contrary to Judaism and declare yourself 'still Jewish, just a member of another religion'. Think of Jews as a family. It is true that you can be born into the family. It is also true that you can be adopted into the family, via conversions. Since Jews are a functional family--adoptees are as much children of the family as biological children. But---if children can be adopted into a family, it stands to reason that biological children of the family may be adopted out...if they find another family that they like more (Christianity). And, as in real life adoptions, once those papers are signed, the child is no longer a member of the birth family--genes or no. As a religious grouping--there is no one Jewish ethicity...we are Ethiopians, Chinese, Indians, Sephardics, Arabs, Whites, Persians, and many other groups. To declare oneself "ethnically Jewish" is a slap in the face to all those backgrounds. So, on Messi beliefs:
Messianic Jews believe in antisemitic political pseudophilosphies that were pedeled as anthropological and genetic truths in the late 19th century, in spite of millenia and centuries of Jewish and Catholic traditions that said otherwise. Namely, they believe that, once a Jew, always a Jew, and that "Jewishness" is something that is biologically inherited. Prior to these beliefs, Jews were persecuted on religious grounds---for example, prior to the expulsion of the Sephardic communities from Spain and later Portugal, priests would implore Jews to convert to save themselves from current persecution and suffering in the afterlife, as well. Anti-Jewish bigotry was mainly framed in religious terms. But, in the late 19th century Germany/Austria, something terrible happened to the bigots: the Jews went secular. Since bigotry does not just go away once the excuse for it does, they had to come up with another excuse to continue hating and isolating the Jewish community. The excuse? That Jews were a biological group...termed "Semitic", after the distinction of the "Semitic" languages (of which Hebrew is one) and the "Aryan" (Indo European) linguistic group (and just as there is no "Aryan'' people in reality, there is no cut-and-dry "Semitic" race of people, either. Phonemes are not STRs). Not only that, but this biological group was out to taint, displace and dominate the Aryan one in Europe--politically and biologically. And, that, my friend is the advent of the belief that one could be 'ethnically Jewish, religiously Christian.'' Hitler loved it.
In parallel with this Nazi philosophy of Jewish identity, Messianic "Jews" also believe in Replacement Theology--the notion that G-d has entered into a "new" covanent with the Christian Church. The Church is now tasked with bringing salvation to the world, and, in extreme cases, the Christians are the 'new Jews' who have received the 'blessings' formerly reserved for the Jewish people. Having been displaced, many Replacement Theologists assumed that the Jews should just crawl under a rock and die.
In the modern world, late 1960s, a group of Evangelical Christians decided that adopting these bigoted philosophies and tweaking them a bit so that they could claim to be "ethnic Jews" who worshipped a slightly more "Judaized" form of Chrisitanity. They tweaked some traditional Christian beliefs...such as dismissal of the triune G-d concept, and added a few Jewish rituals to others. This is, of course, a double slap in the Jewish face....the Nazi idea of the ethnic Jew, plus the antiquated early Christian notion of the legalistic Jew whose entire religion consists of only Toranic law that can be transposed on anything, rolled into one. The truly sad part is that they beleived that their marriage of anti-Jewish bigotry past and present would make us want to convert to their wierd cult.
Peace
- joemoser1948Lv 71 decade ago
That's a name for people who were raised ethnically (and possibly even religiously) as Jews but who have come to accept Christianity.
I don't understand why the "correct" answer (including others who have said basically the same thing I have) get so many thumbs down, but here is the website for the largest single group of Messianic Jews:
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers
There is an obvious issue as to whether you define being a Jew as being an ethnic trait or a religious belief, whereas many will claim that someone can only be a TRUE Jew if they are both. But there are many (my wife included - who likens her Jewishness to others who might claim to be Irish, even if they are U.S. citizens) who legitiamtely (in my opinion) can claim the ethnic heritage without having to follow the religious practices. In fact, I believe, there are a great many Israelis who claim to be Jews who don't bother to practice ANY specific religion. Is there such a thing as an Atheistic Jew?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Here is what actual Jewish people feel about them: http://www.ajewwithaview.com/?page_id=3
They aren't Jewish, they are Christians who are co-opting Jewish traditions.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Well, they don't believe in bibs or washing their hands before eating.