Question for jehova witness, where did you get the idea that Christ is Michael the Archangel ?

They believe Jesus (Michael) is a created being. They say the Jehovah is almighty while Jesus is mighty, therefore showing a difference in power and authority. All this goes back to the teachings of charles russell, the founder of this cult in the 1800's. To further their point, they've created their own form of bible to show scriptures as they have interpreted them, which is what you say in Rev. 22:18. Any scripture they show you where Michael is mentioned doesn't speak about Jesus in the same content! Good question. I hope this helps clarify some of the twisted info they pass around.

Seems like you want to argue the point. I have no idea why?

Since the Bible indicates that Jesus had a prehuman existence and that he was the firstborn of all creation it only stands to reason that he would have been known by a name during his prehuman existense and it also seems reasonable that he would have had a key position as well.

I don't see anything in the words you have posted that indicate that Jesus could not have been the same as Michael.

FAir enough your a reader!

*** bh p. 218 - p. 219 Who Is Michael the Archangel? ***

Who Is Michael the Archangel?

THE spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name—“Who Is Like God?” But who is Michael?

At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon. (Genesis 49:1, 2; Matthew 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. Let us consider Scriptural reasons for drawing that conclusion.

Archangel. God’s Word refers to Michael “the archangel.” (Jude 9) This term means “chief angel.” Notice that Michael is called the archangel. This suggests that there is only one such angel. In fact, the term “archangel” occurs in the Bible only in the singular, never in the plural. Moreover, Jesus is linked with the office of archangel. Regarding the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 states: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice.” Thus the voice of Jesus is described as being that of an archangel. This scripture therefore suggests that Jesus himself is the archangel Michael.

Army Leader. The Bible states that “Michael and his angels battled with the dragon . . . and its angels.” (Revelation 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Revelation 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7; Matthew 16:27; 24:31; 1 Peter 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Matthew 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven—one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus—it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

[Footnote]

More information showing that the name Michael applies to God’s Son is found in Volume 2, pages 393-4, of Insight on the Scriptures, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Distance yourself from these mind control cults.

The jehova cult is a particularly nasty flavor of the christian cults. The jehovah cult utilizes classic mind control techniques to control its adherents. The cult begins by welcoming the target into the cult. It's all smiles and hugs at fist. The cult then forbids the target to associate with anyone that is not also a cult member, including family members. Once the cult has established itself as the target's only support network, the cult threatens expulsion from the group (the jehovah cult calls this disfellowshipping) if you disobey your cult handlers in any way.

You got a deathwish? Never talk down a Jehovian!

So ... you're callin' out the Jehovah's Witnesses (yes, you butchered their name, showing your disrespect/contempt) on THEIR bullshyt ... without looking in the mirror at YOURSELF???

Typical vapid Christian.

Here is some info on how Michael the Archangel is Jesus. Please use your bible as you read:

(Mi′cha‧el) [Who Is Like God?].

1. The only holy angel other than Gabriel named in the Bible, and the only one called “archangel.” (Jude 9) The first occurrence of the name is in the tenth chapter of Daniel, where Michael is described as “one of the foremost princes”; he came to the aid of a lesser angel who was opposed by “the prince of the royal realm of Persia.” Michael was called “the prince of [Daniel’s] people,” “the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 10:13, 20, 21; 12:1) This points to Michael as the angel who led the Israelites through the wilderness. (Ex 23:20, 21, 23; 32:34; 33:2) Lending support to this conclusion is the fact that “Michael the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body.”—Jude 9.

Scriptural evidence indicates that the name Michael applied to God’s Son before he left heaven to become Jesus Christ and also after his return. Michael is the only one said to be “the archangel,” meaning “chief angel,” or “principal angel.” The term occurs in the Bible only in the singular. This seems to imply that there is but one whom God has designated chief, or head, of the angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ is described as being that of an archangel, suggesting that he is, in fact, himself the archangel. This text depicts him as descending from heaven with “a commanding call.” It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14) If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.

There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.

The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12) specifically mentions Michael in connection with the establishment of God’s Kingdom and links this event with trouble for the earth: “And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled. And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down . . . On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later depicted as leading the heavenly armies in war against the nations of the earth. (Re 19:11-16) This would mean a period of distress for them, which would logically be included in the “time of distress” that is associated with Michael’s standing up. (Da 12:1) Since the Son of God is to fight the nations, it is only reasonable that he was the one who with his angels earlier battled against the superhuman dragon, Satan the Devil, and his angels.

In his prehuman existence Jesus was called “the Word.” (Joh 1:1) He also had the personal name Michael. By retaining the name Jesus after his resurrection (Ac 9:5), “the Word” shows that he is identical with the Son of God on earth. His resuming his heavenly name Michael and his title (or name) “The Word of God” (Re 19:13) ties him in with his prehuman existence. The very name Michael, asking as it does, “Who Is Like God?” points to the fact that Jehovah God is without like, or equal, and that Michael his archangel is his great Champion or Vindicator.

DISCUSSION REGARDING REV 22:18

Next, it is Jesus who speaks again, saying: “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, thin

B/c the Trinity (click my ID 4 answers on this) is wrong doesnt mean 1 can rewrite the Bible 2 say what u want it 2 say (NWT). Jesus wasnt His Father nor was He an 'arch'angel (Heb 1:4-5; 2:5,7; I Pet 1:12; Mt 12:42; Col 2:18 - 1rst born doesnt = created - only the flesh part). Sadly JWs r mislead so they rnt Christians. No1 can live w/o breaking God's eternal Law - he who tries 2 live under the law is dead in sin. I use this example: When u watch a movie u notice that when a camera focuses on a person or object other things become fuzzy or out of range. Thats what happened 2 JWs/others as they tried 2 read the Bible. If the cameraman isnt rightly trained/experienced, doesnt know the plot, has poor eyesight or does sloppy work the film will b poor quality missing many important shots & confusing the audience. JWs focus on wrong objects while having more trivial things seem more important than the important issues (straining out a gnat). Its how JWs got only a few things right while canceling truth with fatal false teachings. Instead of scrapping the bad movie they & others keep trying 2 patch it with various bandages while it remains a bad movie.

I hv studied JWs. Lacking the Spirit of God they dont know God & Jesus. Like other churches the JWs know something about cleaning the outside of the cup (like not honoring holidays) but lack understanding 4 how the Spirit of God thru Jesus cleans the inside of the cup.

The Bible severely warns us not 2 trust humans, not even ourselves, clergy/churches/scholars/scientists (Jer 10:2-5,23; Is 2:22; Job 12:11; Prov 14:12; Acts 17:11). So carefully think over what I say. Dont just believe or dismiss what I write. It might save u from making the mistake many made, getting caught up in religions having nothing 2 do with who God is (poisoned tree/its fruit).

JWs NWT bible/WT books r slanted 2 support JW's religion. Its worse than a mistranslation b/c some of it was deliberately tailored 2 fit the JW's false gospel. Most JWs see it as the truth b/c they hvnt realized w/o Jesus they cant see the truth (& false prophecies like the 1914/1975 1s cancel all JW's claimed truth - they dont hv a clue & they'll just keep saying thats not exactly what we meant like the serpent did with Eve [Satan was thrown out b4 creation of Adam, not about 1914] & Heaven is 4 all true Christians not just 144,000 & Hell is real - no 2nd chance after death).

JWs r really good @ gathering lots of info about God/Jesus/the Bible. Sadly, they & other religions/churches took an academic approach 2 understanding the Bible. The problem is that they didnt come 2 understand the diff btwn gaining carnal "head" knowledge & a real relationship with God thru Jesus.

From there JWs, like most Catholics, Mormons, many Protestants, Islam, moonies, Buddhists, Hinduism, Christian Scientists, Scientology & others, having begun in error, began adding on more & more error as they got farther away from God's actual truth. Neither a label, title, name, its history, the amount of time it existed or claims about them (or persecution) means anything. Its the practices behind them that makes it the whole truth or a lie (calling a dog god doesnt make it God - getting hung up on a name among several 4 God (in the Bible) keeps ppl from finding the real Jesus). U can name anything anything (i.e. Calling something Christian doesnt make it so - Mt 7:21-23). A dictionary definition doesnt necessarily encompass God's full definition or usage of a word (or His exceptions thereof). I.e. none of the Biblical prophets were ever muslims.

Sadly, many dont actually take seriously whats stated in the Bible. They think/act as if they r smarter than God. But God outsmarted man - the Bible is the only 1 that cant b properly understood without going thru Jesus Christ (Jn 14:6; 5:39; II Cor 3:14, Is 29:11-12 - If Jewish ppl cant pierce the veil over the OT without Jesus then 4 sure all gentiles cant (religious or not, like JWs). Its why theres many interpretations & many thinking its fairy tales (Jesus came with the sword of division).

Its why theres many religions making fatal mistakes as they built them on what man wants God 2 b like. I realized they cant all b right (Theres 1 Bible - why so many interpretations? II Pet 1:**19-21). Religion wont teach u much about God (they cant teach what they don't know). But it doesnt mean God doesnt know what He's doing. Who knows more about a house, the Builder or those moving in later?

Many missed this: Jesus Christ is the only 1 in history who stated that He's "the" way, "the" truth & "the" life & no 1 gets 2 God except by Him (Jn 14:6; 5:39; 10:1,7; Acts 4:12) & is the only 1 whom came from God. Its fully true or theres no truth & cant b any God (He knows what He's doing or He' cant b God).

Since Jesus is the only way 2 know God, it means "the" whole truth was complete & finished thru Jesus' teaching. This means any claimed new teaching & any other religious beliefs or from self-proclaimed prophets & teachers r invalid & cant lead u 2 our real God. God always knew all Jesus was 2 speak & do & the dumb things man would do, including teaching false gospels.

Jesus couldnt hv done nor said all He did unless He had full knowledge of the entire OT (the NT didnt exist in Jesus' time - the only way Jesus could've known the whole OT is if God sent Him) & the Apostles couldnt write the NT unless Jesus made them know & remember His purpose (Lk 24:25-27,45). Only God could cause it.

JW's (& many others) teachings r so out of sync with Jesus' actual teachings theres no way 2 patch the errors even with borrowed "truths". My advice is 2 get out while u can - the more u allow their teachings 2 program u the greater your chance of never finding our real Jesus Christ & u should warn others. Rewriting Bible verses & calling it a new world translation doesnt make it any more true - reducing Jesus 2 "a" son of God cancels out the rest of JW's teachings or from other religions doing the same. Jesus wasnt an angel, rose from the dead physically not just Spiritually & no earthly religious organization is infallible, only the truth that stands 4ever unchanged.

Ur approach, methodology, purpose & attitude (in)directly affect what u learn from God/Jesus/the Bible (why its useless 2 debate JWs with verses). Jws r so worried about keeping the 10 Commandments (which no human can live w/o breaking) that they cant understand Jesus' true Godly message so they cant find/know God - they're w/o Jesus = cant know God.

Whoever seeks Jesus with all his heart & soul will find God's Kingdom (u shall know the truth & it'll make u free). Why should God want u living with Him 4ever if u dont want 2 know Him His way (reason 4 free will - Jn 1:12-13)? God's truth remains 4ever unchanged while religions & gods created in mans image dies with him (no religions can save u).

On 1 hand, God hates us b/c of our sins - neither being a good person as judged by men or religion can save u. On the other hand, God loves us dearly enough 2 send His Son 2 die 4 our sins - so that thru Jesus our sins could b 4given if we sincerely turn 2 Him - Theres eternal hope only in Jesus Christ & His Bible.

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