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How widespread is defying the law and smoking in cafes in The Netherlands.......?

As a very frequent visitor in NL I have often visited cafes and found the customers smoking as normal and ash trays on the tables. This I have just put down to the fact that the landlord (kastelijn) was present at all times. However last weekend I visited three cafes, and in two of them different staff went behind the bar.

Curiosity got the better of me, and I asked about the law. I was told that the kastelijn thing no longer applies, and everyone just ignored the no smoking law anyway. In each of the cafes was a 'rookpot €1' , which i assumed was to pay any fines accrued.

I must add the cafes I visited (two of them city centre pubs) were not 'passing trade' places, but were frequented by what I would only call regulars.

Please don't get me wrong, this is in no way a complaint, and it certainly won't stop me visiting these same excellent friendly hostelries again. (and again :o)

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  • 1 decade ago
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    You're right - it's a bit confusing. Officially there still is a smoking ban, but culturally the Dutch don't like to be told what not to do. We've always been a tolerant, relaxed country and the government is interfering more and more. So what you see at the moment is that cafe's are making their own policy. A few months ago two small cafe's won a law suit against the smoking ban and more are following. I live in Haarlem which is about 15 mins away from Amsterdam and we have several cafe's where you can smoke (if the owner smokes and has no people working for them, then you can run a smoking cafe. In festival in tents it's officially not legal, but people smoke anyway.

  • 1 decade ago

    Hi there, well you already got some good answers and just to add something, what bar/cafe owners have told me is that they were quite empty, i mean is not that when the ban came, massively all non smokers decided to go to a bar... so well when this ban came it was summertime, then it was ok, because everybody wanted to seat outside and enjoy the weather but when the weather started to change and it was raining, cold and/or snowing, then certainly very few wanted to be outside smoking if the place didn't have a smoking area...

    So actually lots of people stopped going and well bad for the business, then several bars/cafes just put the ashtrays back...

  • 1 decade ago

    DesmoDutchy's answer sums it up perfectly from my experience. In Amsterdam there tends to be more observation of the "rules" but as you step outside of the direct centre to cafe's which serve locals then the rules slip - that's my take of it as well.

    The place where I live, in the centre then most of the cafe's (and these are mainly the larger ones which have staff working there and are busy-ish) observe the ban or have sectioned off, usually the nicer areas by the window ironically in my experience (as a non-smoker)! for smokers.

    However in the north of the city then the cafe's there for example don't observe the rules at all - but indeed these are one-man shops (or two partners running it together) and usually they are sitting at the corner of the bar smoking themselves anyway and chatting to locals, and then will get up to serve people when they want drinks.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Well, where I live people act like there is no ban of smoking from cafes and bars... some bars in Amsterdam were smoking-free, but where I live everybody ignores it.

  • Orla C
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    Oh no, really? One of the things that made me look forward to visiting the Netherlands again was the fact that smoking in pubs was officially banned. I hate the smell of cigarette smoke, it's disgusting.

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