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Is the supernatural even theoretically possible?

This is a repost, but I posted it in the middle of the night and wanted more feedback :-)

I was talking the other day to someone about what kind of proof one would need to believe in God and I suggested a few hypothetical "supernatural" events and we went back and forth and the convo basically ended without really coming up with anything that would be believable.

So I was thinking about it and it really does seem like kind of an impossible concept. I mean, if something exists in the world, it is by definition, natural. If we saw evidence of another dimension, that other dimension would be natural. If God exists, he is natural. And the way we deal with strange things we can't explain is just that: we consider them as part of the natural world that we just haven't ever seen before.

Take for example the platypus. Scientists had all their definitions in place of what animals fit in what category and then they go and find what looks like a Nazi experiment gone very wrong (or right? they were Nazis...). Instead of viewing it as supernatural, we added another category. We changed our definitions of the natural world to include this thing that defied them.

In 1986, about 2,000 people--almost the entire village--dropped dead without any obvious signs of injury or struggle. Some appeared to have burns, and the survivors reported smelling sulfur, but the only thing they actually saw was a fog descending quietly over the village; no heat, no explosion, nothing. It seems to defy what we know about the world, but instead of viewing it as a supernatural event, they theorized a new natural disaster called "lake overturn". The theory is that a huge pocket of carbon dioxide comes to the surface and sweeps across the land like a fog and people suffocate in it.

Now, don't get me wrong, this is the correct way for the scientific world to behave. We SHOULD include new findings and reshape our laws to include new info. But the other side of that is, if we WERE to see some sort of divine event, wouldn't we just readjust our laws to account for it? If we happened to find an invisible pink unicorn, wouldn't we just add unicorn to Equidae family and invisible pink to the color spectrum?

Is it even possible for something to have the quality of being supernatural? And if so, would we even view it as such? How can something be unexplainable by natural laws if when we find something unexplainable, we change the laws?

Someone else brought this to my attention, but I thought it was a very good point:

If someone were to propose a supernatural event that defies not only our current understanding of a physical law but the actual physical law (an exception to your argument), it would still be logically impossible as would be essentially saying that the physical laws are true and untrue simultaneously. That is a logical impossibility. Not just a natural impossibility but a logical impossibility which allows for no exceptions.

Update:

John: thank you. I have never heard of neutrino, I will have to look that up.

By the way, that is how I view God, as the energy force that makes up all of us, so very close to what you said!

You might also be interested in my "is god by necessity unexplainable" question in philosophy section :-)

Update 2:

"I'm inclined to think that experiences like mine are the tiny factual basis of a lot of superstitious nonsense, maybe even religion itself."

I think you probably misunderstood my writing a bit. As a social construct, the supernatural is a meaningful term, but as a scientific one, it's literally impossible. We give phenomena we think are "fake" this title.

I actually do believe that there are extra senses that we don't know about. I believe some people are really psychic. But if it does exist, it is by definition, natural. There was an article about all types of animals that ran for higher ground before the tsunami and this guy made a big point to say that "this doesn't mean they're psychic, they're just using senses we don't understand". Um, isn't that the definition of psychic? Yet we automatically assign "magic" to it. It's simply that we don't understand it yet.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    The term supernatural merely applies to things that are unexplainable by today's scientific standards. To say that an omnipresent god exists who can see everything and read everyone's minds at once is absolutely ridiculous at by no stretch of the imagination is that possible. However, to discount spirituality altogether is a scientific blunder. Take for instance, the following possible, seemingly plausible explanation, put together by myself and as yet unproven due to a lack of scientific instruments of funding. Lol. Anyway:

    Given a basic knowledge of atomic structure, we know that electrons orbit a nucleus which contains both neutral and positively charged particles. Current quantum physics paradigm accepts that these particles are made up of smaller particles again called quarks. We also know that when electrons jump from energy shell to energy shell, they release a tiny wave particle called a photon, which we know as light. We also are aware of the entire electromagnetic spectrum which includes wave particles such as gamma rays that can penetrate solid lead sheets and concrete. It is becoming increasingly more likely that quarks are made up of a particle called a neutrino. Neutrinos are not a new particle, the Earth's magnetic field deflects them all the time as they stream off the sun in an event called a solar wind. They are tiny tiny magnetically charged particles that can pass through just about anything, right up on the electromagnetic scale with gamma and x-rays, more than likely much smaller then both.

    Now, we also know that the brain and nervous system operates on electrochemical signal which produce a magnetic field from vibration. (if you doubt this, go to one of those electro-plasma balls and hold your fingers close to the glass but without touching it and watch what happens). This vibration of atoms and the millions of atoms that make up cells gives us a small magnetic field, made up of neutrinos (also explains how the 'invisible' force of gravity works, objects with a large mass have a huge amount of vibrating atoms, thus giving off a larger uniform field of neutrinos that interact with other masses.) Perhaps the mind possesses the ability to direct and control neutrinos through electromagnetic attraction and repulsion, since the neutrinos are magnetically charged. And who is to say that there aren't other powerful beings in systems nearby to Earth that have mastered this and could by all means bear their consciousness onto a neutrino platform and conduct 'spiritual' works. Now I am getting beyond the scope of science and into a bit of careful guesstimation. But I digress.

    Anyone who has curios about the possibility or validity of neutrino existence only needs to look at the questions posed by scientists the world over regarding the missing mass of the universe, some 98% of mass that cannot be accounted for in visible physical bodies.

    A theory that represents science outside our current scope of understanding, encompasses the spiritual yet is entirely plausible and without complete gaps (some gaps but fillable ones with logical explanation and experimentation.

    By the way, just to clarify, I'm not an atheist, but just as sharp.

    Source(s): www.joyofsatan.com
  • 4 years ago

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    Source(s): Law of Attraction http://renditl.info/LawofAttractionGuide
  • 1 decade ago

    Many of the things believed to be supernatural have been found to have a quite natural if not exotic explanation. I can give you an interesting example of this. A small American village in the 1700's had a problem when suddenly people started claiming they were being visited by invisible people who came and touched them in the night, while others said they saw witches flying on brooms, still others were claimed to be possessed and went crazy. Some died of unknown causes. Hundreds of years later the case was investigated. I saw a documentary in Britain about it. The cause of this mysterious hysteria was something to do with a bacteria and I believe the wheat they made their bread with. The bacteria produced neurotoxins and when ingested and could cause vivid hallucinations or death.

    A scientist recently said to me "just because there's an absence of proof about something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist." She is an Egyptologist and I was talking about the Idea of Atlantis at the time.

    What I didn't mention to this scientist is that I am psychic and have had hundreds of experiences all my life. I have also had a few spiritual experiences.

    What is important to remember, as this lady pointed out our knowledge is limited and we still have a long way to go.

    There is no law in science that is absolute. The exceptions occur because other factors that we have yet to discover may counter act or interact with the known laws. An example of this is the flight of the Bumble bee which is aerodynamically impossible yet happens. So next time you see a bumble bee in flight just think, you're seeing something which according to our present understanding of science shouldn't be flying yet is and we don't know how it does it....body too big for size of wings......

  • 1 decade ago

    The world is a big place and there have been a lot of people in it. Some very peculiar events have been recorded. I'm not going to say that all the records are true, or false, or that the people doing the recording only thought they saw or experienced something. I wasn't there, I don't know.

    Some events however seem to be reliably recorded, as far as I know by people who had no reason to lie, at least none that I know. This is lifted straight from Wikipedia about Emanuel Swedenborg

    "The first was from July 29, 1759, when during a dinner in Gothenburg, he (Swedenborg) excitedly told the party at six o' clock that there was a fire in Stockholm (405 km away), that it consumed his neighbour's home and was threatening his own. Two hours later, he exclaimed with relief that the fire stopped three doors from his home. Two days later, reports confirmed every statement to the precise hour that Swedenborg first expressed the information.[48]

    The second was in 1758 when Swedenborg visited Queen Louisa Ulrika of Sweden, who asked him to tell her something about her deceased brother Augustus William. The next day, Swedenborg whispered something in her ear that turned the Queen pale and she explained that this was something only she and her brother could know about.[49] The third was a woman who had lost an important document, and came to Swedenborg asking if a recently deceased person could tell him where it was, which he (in some sources) was said to have done the following night.[50]

    Immanuel Kant, then at the beginning of his career, was impressed by these in 1763, and made inquiries to find out if they were true. He also ordered all eight volumes of the expensive Arcana Cœlestia (Heaven Secrets). In 1766 he published Träume eines Geistersehers (Dreams of a Seer) where he concluded that Swedenborg's accounts were nothing but illusions. He could however not give a scientific explanation for Swedenborg's description of the fire in 1759"

    These stories are well known and don't only appear in Wikipedia. Back in 1970 in a fairly muddled book by Colin Wilson, "The Occult" he speculated that abilities like those of Swedenborg are "natural", built into everyone somehow but only surface strongly in a few people, and only a few times. Wilson is very far from being a scientist but he might be right about it just the same.

    A long time ago I was on a coach tour of New Zealand. There were about 35 people on the coach. After a few days I got talking with one of the younger women who was pretty quiet for a few minutes and it suddenly hit me that she was Roman Catholic, her father was in the building business, she was the youngest of the children and she had two older brothers and no sister. I'm sure nobody had told me anything about her. I was wrong about one point, she had three older brothers. Now if that has happened to me, it has happened to other people. It might have been just a educated guess and it might have been something else. What I think about it is this, if it happens to some people a couple of times they get the idea that they are "psychic". Then of course it doesn't happen when they want it to and many end up faking it. Or they do "cold readings", which is a form of fakery.

    I'm inclined to think that experiences like mine are the tiny factual basis of a lot of superstitious nonsense, maybe even religion itself.

    EDIT I got a bit off track there but I think what I wrote stands. My experience might be explicable but maybe not. Logic and "theory" does not come into it when facts are involved.

    Yesterday, Jessica Watson who is two days short of her 17th birthday returned to Sydney after sailing non-stop and alone around the world. A century ago you might have said it was logically or theoretically impossible but the fact is that she has done it. (The rest of her life will be an anticlimax)

    What I do think is that "supernatural" events are due to 1. Massive coincidence 2. Something we don't yet know about 3. Fakery 4. Guesswork 5. Maybe something I have not thought of. So no, they are not logically or theoretically possible but they just might be factual. If they are factual, they are not "supernatural".

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  • 1 decade ago

    Yes it is possible

    First off i will tell you why the scientist could be wrong

    1 Scientist made up the theory of evolution as a way to get away from God.

    2 Evolution is a mokery to science because believing that billions of stars people and the earth came from an explosion is too much to believe

    3 Scientist (except for christian ones) have been given lots of proof that goes against evolution while they have given none like there is no fish stage when being born there is no missing link and dinosaurs are still alive today in Africa

    Also it is possible for look at it like this

    1 Humans are not perfect and dont know everything so how do we know if there is or is not a God or if there was or was not a big bang but the difference is we have faith

    2 As humans we are limited in knowledge or finite beings. while as God is infinite in knowledge and perfect

    3 if someone says that there is no God ask him if he knows everything is he says no then how can he know if there is a God or not he cant say that anymore. If he says yes give him a question he cant answer

    Also evolutionist are always making stuff up because they cant stand to be wrong

    Heres something you could say

    "if the big bang made everything then it must have made a human. Except a human has trillions of cells and each cell is like a billion libraries that is how much information it has there is no way the big bang could have happened that only happens if there is a perfect being who designed that person."

    Also they say when a baby is being born it is a giganic stroke of luck they are idiots.

    The womens pelvis is specially made to open with three point when the babies head hits a certain spot. There is no way that is a stroke of luck that can only be the work of a genius to design it like that

    Also bring your friend into a position where he has to prove it to you like when he says evolution is real then you say prove it because he is the one saying it so he should be the one backing it up

    Source(s): All my teachers
  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    In short, yes.

    'Super'natural simply means a natural event which(currently) stands outside the realms of acknowledged science - goes against the 'norm', as it were.

    There's a good book about the subject you should read - 'Supernature' by Lyall Watson.

    :)

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    In this world of string theory, dark matter and energy, for all we know anything is possible.

    A forth dimension, for example. Tell people from the 2nd dimension what 3D is like is impossible to explain. Just imagine a forth!

    Anything is possible IMO.

  • 1 decade ago

    your basically saying if for christian's jesus was to arrive for the second coming the Christians would kill him again because they wouldn't believe it was him. anyway, i myself do not except something just because science endorse it, it take a little more to convince me either way.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    1 decade ago

    Only in believers' minds.

  • 1 decade ago

    It's theoretically holy. Wild and holy, glorious and mystical...

    What? Yeah well whatever --

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