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What are the radiative forcings associated with past Milankovitch cycles?
Does anyone have papers showing this? I remember reading 5.5 W m^-2 somewhere for the peak-to-trough changes in the 100ka cycle, but I'm having trouble finding papers with RF figures. Most research seems to have been done before RF became standard procedure...
Portland Joe, your calculations aren't what I'm looking for. First off, they confuse radiative forcing with secular climate response. They're defined very specifically and they're very different - your #s confuse forcing with feedback.
You also assume that polar temperatures are representative of some minimum of global temperature change, which is believed to be untrue. Using sediment cores you get significantly lower temperature changes because these tend to be at lower latitudes.
If you looked at Arctic proxies from today, you may well conclude that Earth has warmed by 2 C, for example, even though the decadal global average has only warmed +0.8-0.9 C.
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- Portland-JoeLv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
I don't think you would find such a figure, since such a figure would be disingenuous. Technically the Milankovitch cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycle
does not change the solar flux (except for the eccentricity portion), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_forcing
the way the atmosphere behaves, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
or the length of the seasons. It only changes the severity of the seasons, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession
and thus the extent of glaciation. Calculating the RF based on increased albedo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo
would be a simple calculation based on the Stefan–Boltzmann equation:
Energy Out = KT^4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan%E2%80%93Boltzm...
K = a constant
T = absolute temperature
I suggest you consider the paleotemperatures estimated via ice core data. (About 10 Kelvin temperature change per ice age) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok_420ky_4cu...
Assuming an average earth temperature of ~300 Kelvin, the change in output would be:
RF = [K(310^4)]/[K(300^4)] -1 = 14% of the current solar insolation.
The truth is probably different. First, the ice core samples are responding to proxies that respond to temperature changes over time, thus smoothing over the peaks. 10 Kelvins is probably low given the smoothing. Also, not all of the 10 Kelvins are likely to be caused by the Milankovitch cycles. Other cycles and factors are in play, and arbitrarily assigning all 14% to a particular theoretical cause is as pretentious as the IPCC's calculations of the CO2 forcing;
Heat increase = 5.35 ln C/278 http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg3/e...
C = atmospheric CO2 concentration in ppmv
278 = baseline CO2 concentration in ppmv
and will be met with the same skeptic reaction. The 14% should be considered a low estimate (thanks to smoothing) of an upper limit (thanks to other factors).
For another number, you could calculate the increased albedo due to the increased glaciation.
Glaciers ~ 60% reflection
Not Glaciers ~ 20% reflection
Ocean ~ 8% reflection
Then figure the maximum extension of the ice:
~ 45 degrees North latitude
Edit:
All good points; especially the one about the poles seeing more change.
"your #s confuse forcing with feedback."
Indeed, my point was that such a calculation would be "disingenuous".
@Ben O:
You underestimate him. He is smarter than most Warmists.
Source(s): Skeptic Reaction to IPCC: http://www.john-daly.com/forcing/moderr.htm Trace to Hansen et al 1988: http://climateaudit.org/2008/01/07/more-on-the-log... Skeptic blog on 5.35: http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_5GH_IPCC_... Albedos of biomes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Albedo-e_hg.svg Ice Age: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age Ice Age Cover: NH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceage_north-int... SH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iceage_south-int... - 1 decade ago
The total forcing between inter-glacial and glacial periods appears to be 3.4 Watts per meter squared. This mean current forcing due to anthropogenic greenhouse emissions which estimated to be 1.5 to 2 watts per meter squared will overcome any negative forcing due to milankovitch cycles. In other words, in spite of the fact that the Earth should be heading into another ice age it is not, and as long as humans continue to emit these gases the Earth will never experience another glacial period.
- 1 decade ago
I do not have the link to papers showing it at this time. The last time I saw it was when reading Dr. Hansen's new book "Storms of my Grandchildren." I will try and look up the reference in the book.
- Ben OLv 61 decade ago
Portland Joe needn't try to tell MTR student that often scientific papers speculate.
As far as believers are concerned, if it's in a peer reviewed article, it's gospel.