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Is there any documented proof that the "Kirovograd Conference" actually took place?
The "Kirovograd Conference" is a supposed meeting between Molotov and Ribbentrop in 1943 to explore peace proposals. There is much ambiguity as to whether or not it ever happened. Personally, I do not think that it did as I have seen no compelling evidence for it. Or any evidence at all, in fact. I am very skeptical, but many claim it happened. I have to wonder why it never came up at Nuremberg and why no one who was alleged to have been there has ever given an account. This can perhaps be explained by the fact that, if it did happen (1) the negotiations were embarrassingly unsuccessful and (2) the mere fact that such a negotiation occurred would shake the confidence of folks at home on each side (3) as well as those powers allied with each side (though in Germany's case, with Italy out by 1943, this was presumably not crucial).
The only souce I know is in Payne's Life and Death of Adolf Hitler, but he provides no source. What I need is some sort of documented proof that it happened. Is there any?
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- Slava TLv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
No, there are no any documented proofs for those talks so far. As far as I understand there are two main sources in support of this version: a) memoirs of Peter Kleist, a Ribbentrop aide and b) "History of the Second World War" by Liddell Hart who wrote, on page 510: "In June 1943, Molotov met Ribbentrop at Kirovograd, which was then within the German lines, for a discussion about the possibilities of ending the war..." Hart's theory is based on his alleged conversation with a certain German major who participated in the talks.
For discussion of the main facts see: Mastny, Vojtech (1972), "Stalin and the Prospects of a Separate Peace in World War II", in American Historical Review 77(5): 1365–88
- 6 years ago
I am an avid reader onWWII. In the many acounts of the war I am familiar with only Hart s history recounts this meeting. The refefence contains no citations or supporting documentation only a statement saying that the account was based on comments from officers that were said to have been present. Also, it seems out of place in the fliw of the chapter in which it is found. It reads as it it were inserted as an after thought.
- 5 years ago
No. THE only thing close to one was a short statement after the film was making people angry in Egypt and it was pulled down before the 4 deaths. Romney has twisted this.
- CanuteLv 61 decade ago
I have not found any. The paucity of Google material is suspicious.
Had it taken place, any one of the innumerable memoir writers would have mentioned it.
