Do you believe in *Pre-Destination* and that is why *Atheists* do exist?

in the word of God pre-destination is talking about jew and gentile God has predestoned the jew and the gentile to be one in the faith, the church is no longer a building it is people made up of jew and gentile all over the world, the called out one's in the faith.

"God" did not make any such statements. The written words within the Bible make the statements.

The first refers to a means of explaining rejection.The second regards the rejection as an expression of a selfish reach for more sin. The third states the transfer of knowledge from god to human.

With this in mind, the sections influence a rejection and open denouncing of disbelief while proclaiming a possibility for increased knowledge in those who are loyal believers. This could best be described as propaganda at its most basic.

Now, free will and the other gibberish... Blindness created for those he knew to eventually reject him is instead an attempt to seal the fates of non-believers. It essentially means that this deity has decided to reject those he had already created without enough knowledge or faith to believe. It, in terms of propaganda, also helps to explain continued rejection of belief and influence against it - as any believers seeking comfort in non-belief may in turn be blinded from any future belief, as such is also a damnation to hell. Free will confuses the subject, as true free will cannot exist while areas of knowledge remain unattainable. If religious understanding relies on faith, then free will has been intentionally limited by god.

Atheism is not equal to spiritual blindness, as it does not technically at all reflect on spirituality. Even Gnostic Atheism (Hard Atheism) is not a spiritual blindness, but instead simply an unrealistic statement of knowledge over gods, which still holds no specific views on spirituality.

If god 'knew' they would reject him, that means there was is free will. Once you KNOW what's going to happen, that thing HAS to happen. If it might NOT happen, then god can't KNOW it's going to happen.

Besides which, if he knew that some would reject him anyway, why bother blinding their eyes or deadening their hearts? If they weren't blind/deadened already, then why would they reject him?

In other words dear, you're entire position is irrational, illogical, unreasonable and bogus. Whoever told you this stuff was either lying or mistaken, and therefore your belief in it only shows how criminally gullible you are.

No, I don't agree. Your interpretation, though interesting, is just that, an interpretation of text thousands of years old and rewritten thousands of times. The idea of predestination and similar ideas like it was used to oppress many groups of people, from the Indians (from India) to the Puritans. Spiritually speaking, it isn't very fair to say to someone "You are going to hell because that is predestined" when they are still a baby, I mean they're just a baby but it's predestined. Also that implies there is a heaven and hell, which many including myself do not believe in. In truth, I don't believe in deliverance or damnation from a god above. If some were born to burn then I feel sorry for the god who gave them that life. No, I don't agree with the notion, it's just a way for people sure of their salvation to feel better than those they think will go to hell. Pre-destination is an old and largely dead idea, don't give in to it.

God made neither statement. The first was made by John. The second, by Paul.

I'm not sure if predestination or free will is the truth. If predestination were the truth, God would certainly be powerful enough to create the illusion of free will.

I don't consider myself spiritually blind. if god is real, he gave me this logic and reason.

No, I do not believe in pre-destination. I think that's silly.

And no, atheism is not equal to spiritual blindness. It's equal to their view of reason. And that's perfectly fine.

So your argument is the creator make us with a brain model- a Pre-Destination to get a brain that not believe in fairy tales...interesting theory, bet you can put it in paper an get published.

if god knew who would reject him then why did he create them? why does he create people just to send them to hell?

i thought gods love was perfect (unconditional) how can hell exist if that is the case?

your religion makes no sense even to you.

again so god knows we are going to reject him before he even creates us, but still creates us anyway? your god either sounds like a retard or a total asshole for creating people just to go to hell.

Of course not, and that's one of the biggest loads of nonsense I've ever read.

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is why everything exists