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Anonymous asked in SportsBoxing · 1 decade ago

Do you think the boxing world is unfairly asking too much out of Manny Pacquiao?

Pacquaio both gained and lost many fans when he beat many of the Mexican legends, and some may have went to the Mayweather fan base to those who did not like the results. But there are many fans from Mexico and Puerto Rico who still loved Manny because of his "toe to toe, fight like a man, brawling style", which is the common type cast for Puerto Rican, Mexican, and Filipino boxers. Some were not turned off by the Pacquaio fans, many still remained a fan of him because of his exciting fights and his display of heart.

Pacquaio is one of the smallest welterweights in history, not since Henry Armstrong that a welterweight weighted 142 or 144 to fight at welterweight for title belts. Pacquaio’s weight of 148 on fight night vs Clottey & Cotto are all time lows for a welterweight for title fights. In fact, Timothy Bradley, Devon Alexander, Amir Khan, Marcos Maidana, and Paulie Malignaggi have all weighted more than 148 on fight night. Bradley and Alexander alone have weighted as much as 153 pounds in their last bouts at 140.

Indeed, Pacquaio is even a small fighter for 140, as he is naturally smaller than Alexander, Malignaggi, Bradley and most of the 140 pounders. Yet, many fans are asking him to fight elite 147 pounders like Mayweather Jr, Mosley, Berto, and even go up to 154 and fight Sergio Martinez or Paul Williams!

As Steward said, Pacquaio is still a natural light weight who gives up 10-15 pounds of weight to fight welterweights. His fight with Clottey was one of the largest weight gap in history outside the heavyweight division with over 15 pounds of difference. Cotto was also known to have weighted at least 10-15 pounds more than Pacquaio even with the 145 catch weight.

But why is this not good enough? Pacquaio never said he is the best or insulted any boxers he faces or hasn’t. Pacquaio has achieved 3 Ring Mag Fighter of the Year, 3 BWAA Fighter of the Year, and BWAA, Ring Mag and HBO Fighter of the Decade. Not since the great Evander Holyfield, Ali, and Frazier were able to accomplish these goals. Pacquaio won 7 titles in 7 divisions, jumped 11 divisions with 4 lineal belts, all world records, yet fans still expect more of him, like fighting Mayweather who is very talented and a naturally bigger fighter. Why does Pacquiao, one of the smallest welterweights in the 100 plus years of modern boxing history still have to fight 10-15 pounds of elite welterweight boxers or even junior middleweight boxers who could outweigh him by 25-30 pounds, and if he doesn’t fight him, then he is ducking?

Are we asking too much of Pacquaio and forgetting that he is already giving us legendary performances against the complexities of all odds?

Update:

This question was inspired by Joshua's email.

Update 2:

Please with all due respect no trolls or kids, only professional, adult, and mature answers. Thank you! :-)

Update 3:

Thumbs up to all the answerers!

@ SirVon1st, I respect your analysis as always, but to respond to your comments, many fans would rather see Pacquaio fight bigger guys than Bradley or Alexander who has not proven anything, that is exactly my question. Clottey and Cotto are ranked higher in the 2009 Ring Mag Top 100 than Bradley, Berto,or Alexander.

Update 4:

@ SuperJoe, Thank you for your comments. You made some enlightening statements, especially about how many U.S athletes are beloved all over the world while there is often a struggle for international fans to receive the same recognition. :-)

@SirVon, I would not mind Pacquaio fighting Bradley or Alexander, but the LV odds would be 10-1 or more in favor of Pacquiao more than the 3-1 odds vs Cotto or Hatton.I respect their talents but I just dont see them upsetting the odds. I see more dangerous fighters at 147 especially when Pacquiao is giving so much weight disadvantage.Thanks for your input. :-)

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@ SirVon, I disagree with the catchweight sir, I absolutely did not support Manny fight Cotto at 145 if you read my old comments. But again, Leonard, Armstrong, Mayweather, Whitaker, De La hoya, Hopkins, Chavez Sr.,Joe Gans, Jersey Joe Walcott, McLarnin, Emile Griffith, Terry Norris,Johnny Tapia, Paulie Ayala, Roy Jones Jr, Felix Trinidad, etc, have all fought at catchweights for title fights, yet they seem not to be under the microscope. Why not bro?

Update 6:

@ blogbaba2, yes sir I do agree that respect may be more important than titles. :-)

@ SirVon, Sir, the boxing world is asking Pacquaio to fight Mayweather who is a true elite and a naturally bigger fighter more than fighting Cotto or Margarito, don't you find that a huge risk for Manny more than fighting Bradley or Alexander? My main question is, is the boxing world asking too much out of Manny? I am enjoying our debate by the way bro, you are making great sense much like Joe, blog, James, and Shaider so far. :-)

Update 7:

@ ALEX, thanks my friend! :-)

@ andre w, that was quite an impressive statement consider you are a Mayweather fan. great response.

Update 8:

@ jp, its unfortunate that people will always find ways to discredit someone.

Update 9:

@nepster, very well said my friend! :-)

@ Roscoe, thanks for the list, you made some brilliant examples, this is why I have massive respect for you! :-)

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  • 1 decade ago
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    great question Jon. I think a lot of fans forget that Pac is a very small welterweight. One thing about being a once in a generation talent like Pacquiao is, is that fans constantly demand that they take on the toughest challenges for them. I think, and most fans, think that there is absolutely no one at 140 and below that could even come close to challenging Pacquiao. Bradley, Alexander, Khan, I don't think any of them pose any type of threat to Pacquiao. He would eat their punches like skittles and his punches, in turn, could be "career threatening" to them. Bradley might be a technically better boxer (as most Mayweather fans would claim) than Pac, but how long can he "outbox" Pac until Pac lands 2-3 punches that get him in trouble? In addition to that, who really has been proven in the lighter weights? I see it as a curse to be as once in a generation fighter, fans are always calling for them to prove themselves more so than just "great" fighters. Pac wouldn't get nearly as much respect KO'ing Bradley, Khan, Alexander, Maidana, than he would if he lost to Mayweather. If he stayed at Jr. Welter and took on the best and left a trail of broken boxers, what would fans say? Who "were" these guys? Not future hall of famers. They would claim they were nobodies ten years from now.

    As with Mayweather, fans always want them to take on what they perceive to be the most dangerous, and in all honesty, there is no one that would be considered "dangerous" to Pac at 140 and below, yes I think he is THAT good. I feel THAT is why, fans forget that he is a natural jr. welter/lightweight. Even Marquez, I don't feel would pose a threat to him at this point in their careers at the weight that Pac fights at now. Do fans take what he's done for granted? Absolutely. Even I do. Pac could stay at 135, 140 and clean out the division, but wouldn't him facing Mayweather (a naturally bigger guy) or Berto (again, a naturally bigger guy) do more for his legacy and be more dangerous? Absolutely, and that's what champions do. You made a good point, pointing out against Alexander, Bradley or Khan, he would be a 8-1, 10-1 favorite because no one is as quick as him, no one (at the lower weight) punches as hard as he does, and his chin has held up to much bigger fighters, so when he faces the bigger guys, they at least have a advantage. This is why Pac-May has to happen. Mayweather is the only guy that poses a serious threat because he's just as fast, his defense is inpenetrable and he'll have a natural size advantage. Win or lose, he'll get more credit than beating the smaller guys. That, and you'll always have haters who will always find a way to discredit whoever he's faced.

  • 1 decade ago

    I am in my 60's and I have never seen a fighter as unique as Pacquaio, not since Sugar Ray Leonard or the Roberto Duran era at least. I think the boxing community is asking Pacquaio something that he does not have to, and that is fight the most dangerous fighters outside Pacquaio's natural weight. When Pacquaio left the Lightweight, he was already automatically the smaller boxer at Junior Welterweight or Welterweight, but he took these challenges because the big fights were above the Lightweight. I still don't consider him a top 20 greatest but he is definitely the best boxer this decade. All his accomplishments are well deserved.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    My question for him is: With all the blessings bestowed upon you as a boxer and placed you as one of the boxing history's greatest... "Why do you feel you need to run for a public office? Even if you win the election,don't you think this would affect your reputation and might tarnish your greatness if you failed miserably to perform your duties well as a public servant?" "Do you presently have enough knowledge to meet the requirements,the intellectual independence and the strength to perform the heavy task at hand"? MY REASON for asking him this is: No doubt that Pacman is presently the best boxer in right now...And I am a big fan! But i doubt his ability running for congress in this coming May 2010 election. What triggered him to decide to run for a position in a higher office? Can he really perform the task without MUCH HELP from his "assistants","amuyongs"( or whatever you would call it)? Given,that he has a good heart and a clean intention to serve the public, does he have what it really take to be an effective statesman? Many popular figures believed that you can help and serve the people without necessarily having a seat in the government. I believe that he could be more effective in assisting his fellowmen as a private citizen. It's hassle free! I just think that he should take time to learn more about the field that he is pursuing. I JUST DO NOT WANT A LEGEND TO FALL because of his wrong or prematured decisions. May the Lord Guide him in his pursuit. GOODLUCK PACMAN!!!

  • 1 decade ago

    The boxing world has not been asking too much from Manny. It is just the Mayweather fans who keep insisting on ridiculous demands in order to make their idol PBF look like the best. He very well might be the best but he still need to prove it by giving Manny the boxing lesson that they keep saying he will. What I have observed though is the silence of the Boxing Commission with regards to the controversy about the blood tests being demanded by the Mayweather camp. Doesn't this seem odd or is it an admission that their testing methods are flawed.

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  • 1 decade ago

    I don't think that the boxing world expects too much from pacquiao. In my opinion pac gets all of the credit he deserve for his victories and his accomplishments. He is a 7 time world champ, number one pound for pound fighter, and the fighter of decade. As a mayweather fan i think he truly deserves all of the awards that he has acheived in his great career, but since pac is an elite fighter and is currently the number one fighter people will never be satify with his acheivements. I guess un fair expectations come hand and hand with being on top of your sport. Lebron james is the MVP of the nba but that is always overlooked because he hasn't won a championship. Pac can go up in weight again and fight martinez to gain his 8 title (which would be historic), but his accomplishment would be slightly discredited, because he didn't fight mayweather. I wouldn't just say that the bocing world is unfair, but sports in general are not fair to the athletes that are currently on top.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I was full aware that Pacquaio is a small guy fighting at a higher division. He is really a lightweight but he is fighting above his normal weight because he wants to improve his legacy. I just don't think catchweights would help it, but if he defeat some of the top welterweights at 147, he would be a much greater fighter. But he is already a great fighter and is absolutely the best pound for pound at the moment. I dont question the rankings, Pacquaio earned what he has accomplished. This is coming from a Cotto fan who was beaten by Pacquaio! See, I don't hate Pacquaio as some called me a Pac Hater.

  • 1 decade ago

    Good Morning JON, I notice that you're having some friendly sparring here Lol.

    We can always said that it is the cruel behavior of a human that's doing these. Remember that human being is just the highest form of animal. Sometimes, someones satisfaction is infinite that no matter what you do, you will never satisfied their craving until the time that you fail them or they see you failed The demands will never ends even in your hardest moment because that is what they want to see, that someone failed.

    What Pacquiao have given to the boxing world and to his country, the Philippines will take a very long time to be equaled. No matter what the critics said, history will explain to them the facts that will be written in the history books.

    Most of these asking comes from the people who want to see him failed as they were rooting for their own favorite individual. Human endurance comes only to a certain limit that a body can give. Filipinos like him have a physical frame that can not be compared to other race.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    The boxing world is definitely asking too much of Pacquaio. I am not even a fan of Pacquaio or Mayweather for that matter but why would people ask him to fight Bradley or Alexander when 99 percent of experts knows he would knock them out. They don't have the resume or the credentials to even deserve a match with Pacquaio.

    Pacquiao fought very tough opposition, he is not required to give up 10-20 pounds, he is just doing it because the toughest challenges are in the welterweight division. Pacquaio will not get any credit from many fans who have already made up their minds, but at least the experts have spoken and they are giving Pacquaio the credit of being called an all time great.

  • Here are a few ways to look at it Jon.

    1. The Consumer

    No! As a consumer I giver a rats tail about any fighters past achievements (while active) only what they provide me in terms of entertainment value. If any fighter wishes to command a portion of my discretionary spending I want to make damn sure it's a fight were the outcome is in question.

    2. As a Fan of the fighter (not so much the sport).

    The only desires of these types (in all sports) is the success of their favorite athlete therefore, I wouldn't care who he fought just make sure he/she provides me the emotional spike that victories provide.

    3.Fan of the sport

    No, because all sports contain an aspect of legacy and I (as others) want to know who is the best of the best. Currently the two obvious candidates are Pacman & Mayweather so I want those two in the ring. If not, I want a fight that maximizes the risk or makes a statement towards dominance in a weight class. So if 147 is too much to ask, what about 140 or 135?

    4. As a Fan of promotion

    Yes, it is too much to ask. Why should a primary money maker for a promoter have to step into the ring with opponents outside his promotion that pose a high level of risk? Bob Arum's job is to pump up the legacy of his stars while delivering big paydays for the promotion, not to invest years into a guy and have his value drop faster than BP stock because of unnecessary risk. If an arena is sold out at premium pricing and ppv buys are at the million buy mark or greater with a superstar fighting a b or c level fighter what incentive does a promoter have for stepping up the competition?

    @ Super Joe- What the heck are you talking about? First off tennis, golf, skiing are not considered sports for the masses in this country so most people don't give a rats *** about those sports. That aside how is that Sharapova has made millions in this country, Federer has made millions in this country, Martina Navratilova not only has made millions, but also became a citizen? Here are a few facts; the PGA Tour World Rankings have 6 non U.S. players in the top 10, 7 out of the 16 (position players only) MLB All-Star starters a freaking foreigners, more people could recognize Pau Gasol (Spaniard) & Dirk Nowitzki (German) a whole lot faster than they could any current U.S. fighter. Heck our olympic track athletes can walk around without anyone thinking stardom, that's just the way it is man. Hey man the facts are this country, in its current state, will only elevate 4 sports to the top tier and guess what soccer will never be one of them! To be honest neither will tennis, cycling or freaking golf. Lack of achievments, no real hero's? What the hell are you smoking/ shooting/snorting that would allow that thought to permeate through your mind? Honestly, if my damn country is so horrible stop purchasing its products or using its damn technology.

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    He does not need to fight at 147, nobody is forcing him. Everyone knows he is not a 147 fighter. But he has the heart and will to beat bigger fighters because he knows it means more to his career and he will be more respected as a greater fighter if he continues his fights above his natural weight class.

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