Once saved always saved Christians: How are you supposed to know if you are truly saved?

The answer is found in the word of God:

EXAMINE YOURSELF – ARE YOU A TRUE DISCIPLE? (1 John 1-5)

“And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.”

1.WALK IN THE LIGHT. “If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.”

2.CONFESS YOUR SIN. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.” “This then is how we know that we belong to the truth, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence whenever our hearts condemn us.”

3.OBEY HIS COMMANDS. “We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.”

4.DO NOT LOVE THE WORLD. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

5.LIVE BY HIS WORD. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.

6.DO WHAT IS RIGHT. If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him.

7.DO NOT KEEP ON SINNING. No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God;

8.LOVE YOUR BROTHER. “Nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Anyone who does not love remains in death.” “Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.” “Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble.” “If we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.”

9.HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE NEEDY. “If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him.”

10.BELIEVE IN THE SON. “If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.” “Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.”

11.LOVE GOD. “This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands.”

The apostles never said that. But we are save thru God's grace; where Grace = Faith + work=One; where one is useless without the other.

Or, once saved always saved is a man-made doctrine. We could salvage it by applying

1 Cor 3:15 If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

So here we are, no question that we have to be purified before we see God face to face.

In mild of the scriptures you quoted, how do you give an explanation for the myth of the prodigal son in Luke Chapter 15? As for the grafting in of the Gentiles, that has to do with the Gentiles who consider and comply with Jesus Christ fitting followed into the loved ones of God of which God selected the Jewish folks. Therefore, Gentiles would no longer be Jewish until they're grafted into the basis that is Jesus Christ (a Jew). Another phrase for the grafting in is adoption.

"Cristoiglesia" presents a view that is completely one-sided. There are other verses that say in no uncertain terms that predestination has long since taken care of the argument, where OSAS is more like, once determined, grace abounds for those God loves.

God's determination of who's who, is none of our business. The clay does not have the authority to say to the potter, "why have you made me thus?" Therefore we can take cristoiglesia's plethora of verses and put them inside of a larger context of God's sovereignty. It would be sacrilege to make God into Dog, begging for our sympathies.

How is someone supposed to be sure they are saved? They act like it. No one gets to judge one another into or out of Heaven or Hell. God's job is to elect, and it's your job to honor that election. Christian, take cristo's verses and apply them to yourself knowing that God will not let you go. We'll know you by your fruits, God knows you by your heart...that he has given you in the first place.

Jesus said simply at Matt. 24:13..."he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved."

Being saved is an ongoing process based on our faithfulness and obedience to God's word throughout our lives.

The "once saved, always saved" doctrine is not Biblical, and it's not a very safe way to believe.

You can't know if you are "saved" -- only God judges that at your death.

Wow -- guess I hit a nerve huh? Hope you give me BA! Lulz.

Catholics believe that all of their works are produced by God. Once saved, always saved is a kind of lawless salvation where there is really no true sanctification but a covering up of a filthy sinful soul in the belief that it can sneak into heaven under the guise of holiness instead of actually having been sanctified and created anew. When one studies Scriptures, instead of using the Scriptures as a group of proof texts to support one’s fleshly desires, misunderstanding of God’s Word is less likely and false teaching is not promulgated. We should be more like the Bereans in not trusting those who are teaching us so that we will not fall for false teaching such as OSAS.

I know all the verses used to support lawless soteriology views. In view of contradictory Scripture how can a Calvinist support or justify their views. Allow me to illustrate what I mean with the following:

All through both Testaments of the Bible we are warned of the dangers of sin and that sin will separate us from eternity. The earliest verses making this point are as follows….

(Gen 2:16 DRB) And he commanded him, saying: Of every tree of paradise thou shalt eat:

(Gen 2:17 DRB) But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death.

If we examine verse 17 we see a striking similarity between hat Satan taught and what is taught by those teaching OSAS. They preach that we simply eat of the fruit of emotional ascension to faith for a moment in our lives and our consequent sins will not condemn us. Here is what the prophet Ezekiel says about a righteous man and see if it sounds like the righteous are guaranteed eternal security……

(Eze 3:20 DRB) Moreover if the just man shall turn away from his justice, and shall commit iniquity: I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die, because thou hast not given him warning: he shall die in his sin, and his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: but I will require his blood at thy hand.

(Eze 18:24 DRB) But if the just man turn himself away from his justice, and do iniquity according to all the abominations which the wicked man useth to work, shall he live? all his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: in the prevarication, by which he hath prevaricated, and in his sin, which he hath committed, in them he shall die.

The same teaching is repeated by St. Paul in His letter to the Romans lest one say that this prophecy only applies to the OC……

(Rom 8:13 DRB) For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live.

(Rom 6:16 DRB) Know you not that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey, whether it be of sin unto death or of obedience unto justice.

St. Paul’s teaching is full of warnings against lawlessness and false security regarding our salvation as well as the teaching of St. James…….

(Gal 5:19 DRB) Now the works of the flesh are manifest: which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury,

(Gal 5:20 DRB) Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,

(Gal 5:21 DRB) Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.

(Gal 6:8 DRB) For what things a man shall sow, those also shall he reap. For he that soweth in his flesh of the flesh also shall reap corruption. But he that soweth in the spirit of the spirit shall reap life everlasting.

(Gal 6:9 DRB) And in doing good, let us not fail. For in due time we shall reap, not failing.

(Jam 1:14 DRB) But every man is tempted by his own concupiscence, being drawn away and allured.

(Jam 1:15 DRB) Then, when concupiscence hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin. But sin, when it is completed, begetteth death.

(Jam 1:16 DRB) Do not err, therefore, my dearest brethren.

We know that both St. Paul and St. James were speaking to and about believers as St. James confirms in the following verses lest there be any doubt….

(Jam 5:19 DRB) My brethren, if any of you err from the truth and one convert him:

(Jam 5:20 DRB) He must know that he who causeth a sinner to be converted from the error of his way shall save his soul from death and shall cover a multitude of sins.

Jesus taught of the necessity of keeping the Word and of the consequences of not keeping the Word once received…..

(Joh 8:51 DRB) Amen, amen, I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever.

(Joh 11:25 DRB) Jesus said to her: I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, although he be dead, shall live:

(Joh 11:26 DRB) And every one that liveth and believeth in me shall not die for ever. Believest thou this?

(Luk 8:13 DRB) Now they upon the rock are they who when they hear receive the word with joy: and these have no roots: for they believe for a while and in time of temptation they fall away.

Now, those teaching the false doctrine of OSAS will defend their views with saying that those who continue in lawlessness never were saved to begin with and it was a false eternal security that they received. The Bible clearly contradicts such a belief because it states that those who fell away were believers……..

(Act 17:11 DRB) Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, who received the word with all eagerness, daily searching the scriptures, whether these things were so.

(Act 17:12 DRB) And many indeed of them believed: and of honourable women that were Gentiles and of men, not a few.

Even St. Paul recognized that the righteous were in danger of falling away when He said:

(1Co 9:27 DRB) But I chastise my body and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.

St. Paul clarified his view and teaching in the following ……

(Phi 2:12 DRB) Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.

Even in the salvation chair passage of John 3:16 and also John 11:25-26 we find that in the Greek that a continuing tense is used in the word believe which clearly shows that we must “continue to believe” and not a one time belief for eternal security.

Here are a few more verses that emphasize our continuing belief and sanctification and warnings that the faithful can and often do fall away…..

(Rev 3:2 DRB) Be watchful and strengthen the things that remain, which are ready to die. For I find not thy works full before my God.

(Rev 2:10 DRB) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer. Behold, the devil will cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried: and you shall have tribulation ten days. Be thou faithful unto death: and I will give thee the crown of life.

(Rev 2:11 DRB) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches: He that shall overcome shall not be hurt by the second death.

(1Jo 5:16 DRB) He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask: and life shall be given to him who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death. For that I say not that any man ask.

Obviously once saved always saved is an untenable theological position.

In Christ

Fr. Joseph