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? asked in PetsHorses · 1 decade ago

This question is just... something? Please answer before I waste my money?

I have a lovely two year old appaloosa mare I was going to start in two years. I am working on ground manners and lunging right now, even swimming to build up her muscles so she is strong and healthy for when she is getting started. I also don't want her to get over weight. Super dangerous. She gets fat off of air, and I do want her in good shape.

Now this guy that lives next store to me, and by next door, I mean about a quarter of a mile away, has this stud that I think should have his nuts chopped off. Even if he got bred to the best of the best, the foal would still turn out worthless. There's nothing that can make the grade stud any thing special. Horrid conformation, disgusting attitude, unknown bloodlines, just a bad stud.

I got my mare a vet check two weeks ago, I get her one every six to seven months, but I did it earlier because she looked "fat" and I did it at five months this time. The vet gave me the worst surprise I have ever got, she is pregnant. I was in a horrified shock, and it's too late to get an abortion. My two year old prized filly is pregnant.

It took me a while, but it turns out the guy that owns the stallion a quarter of a mile away, bred her without my permission. I guess while he was riding his stallion, that stallion was acting horrible. He noticed my mare was in heat, and he let his stallion out here while I was on a two day vacation. I had someone feed and water my filly while I was gone, but she wasn't at my house more more then ten minutes at a time. She didn't notice my mare being bred by my neighbors stallion.

I am not happy about this at all. It can really mess my mare up being bred this early in life, plus it's my a worthless stallion. I am so horrified. More than horrified, I'm angry. He came over yesterday and we had a lovely conversation that went a little like this.

William said "I am going to need the money for my stud. I charge a $100 stud fee for him. If you don't pay, I will come and pick up the foal as soon as its weaned."

I wasn't happy with that at all, and I said "I'm not paying you the money. You are the one who bred my mare without my permission and I think I should be able to keep the foal or sell it if I wish, and not have you pay the fee for your stud, a stud I would have never picked out for her."

"Sorry to burst your bubble, but since your mare got bred by my stud you owe me the money or the foal, I will take you to court over this and I will get my foal or money."

"I want you out of my house before I call the cops on you. Get out, now!" He left, and I sat their in a fury for a few moments, unable to decide what to do. I have decided I will take him to court over this, who cares if he bred my mare and he wants the money? He did it without my permission. He should be held responsible, not me. I did not want my mare bred, I never was going to breed her. Delilah had a good conformation and personality, but not nearly enough to be classified as breedable.

Is there any way that he can take the foal from me if I don't pay him the money? I don't plan on paying him, and I plan on keeping of the foal as long as I can financially do it. I shouldn't let this foal suffer because it was an accident that will most likely end up in slaughter somewhere along the line if I didn't keep it. Is there anyway I can make him pay for the vet bills for my horse through her pregnancy? The more money I can suck from this guy, the better.

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  • 1 decade ago
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    Contact your local police station and ask them if you should file a police report. A police report is a VERY handy thing to have in court. The judge will love it, seriously. Also while you're on the phone with them, ask their professional opinion about what the outcome should be and what you should do. That's what they are there for and I'm sure they'd love to share their opinion.

    After that you'll have a good idea of what will happen in court because you'll be officially aware that he is at fault. Take the jack@ss to court and sue him. Don't be petty and unfair about it though, the judge will lose respect for you. Just sue for any and every penny that will have to spend on vet bills throughout the pregnancy. I wouldn't try to get money from him for after the foal is born because at that point you have the choice of keeping it or selling it. Just get money for the pregnancy: vet bills, pregnancy vitamins, foaling supplies (for when she goes into labor), and whatever else you think you may need for the pregnancy. Make a list of everything (EVERYTHING) and include prices. Add it all up and that's what you should sue for.

    It's a shame that your mare is so young and that his stud is so crappy. But you never know, you might end up with a nice little foal. And if the foal has crappy confo and all that, just give it the best training you can. Get that little thing to be able to do everything and anything you ask of it. So if you ever need to sell it, it could make a nice youth horse or lesson horse. Every horse is good for something, remember that. But that still doesn't mean your mare should have been bred. Just make sure she gets any and all vitamins she needs, is exercised throughout the pregnancy, and given lots of love.

    Maybe you should get a llama. I hear that when they get used to their "herd" (horse herd), they attack strange horses/people that they don't know to protect the herd. How fun would it be to watch vicious llama attack that guy?

    I wish you the best!

  • 1 decade ago

    There is absolutely no way that he can take the foal from you.

    What I would do is to get some hair from the stud and have it DNA tested and then do the same with the foal when it is born and sue the bustard for every penny he has.

    You have the vet to back you up that you did not want the mare covered and you should report this to the police now, not only that he allowed his horse to cover your mare but also the fact that he threatened you.

    Get legal advice now. Get the hair from the stud for testing and start the law suit as soon as you can including vet fees, loss of use, your time, stress of the worry of the damage it will do to the mare breeding her so young, and every other little thing you can think of - even down to a halter for the foal!

    I will add that although it might set your mare back a bit in her growing, she will catch up and no harm should come to her.

    Idiots like him should have their balls cut off by the vet when he does the horse!

  • 1 decade ago

    How did he find out your mare was pregnant? He sounds like a piece of work. Honestly, if this is a true, post I wouldn't want anything to do with him. How are you supposed to leave your property and 'know' that he isn't going to come on your land and do something else? Even if you take him to court and force him to pay all the 'money' you need for the pregnancy and so forth, he can still stick it to you some how and no one would be able to help you. This guy seems like a shady character. I would be more scared of how he is going to react if you do involve the 'law'. I have had some run ins with trash like him...BE CAREFUL! Do you have someone staying with you or maybe a big dog?

    I would explicity explain to the lawyer and even the police your situation and possibly get a restraining order and remember this " I AM SCARED FOR MY LIFE." He needs to stay away from you and your land. What a troll. I'm so sorry!

    On a PLUS note..since you have been taking such excellent care of your mare for her whole life..she will probaly do fine throughout the pregnancy. Keep your head up..I'm sorry this had to happen you..no one deserves that!!

    BE CAREFUL!

  • 1 decade ago

    Sue the freaking heck out of this guy! What a jerk! I don't know why he thinks he can get away with something for being so reckless. Take it to court! I'd say make him pay for the vet bills, feed, and anything else until the foal is at least weaned. There is no way this guy would win in court.

    I hope your mares pregnancy goes well since she is still young. Good luck to you!

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  • Dalton
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    1 decade ago

    Take his *** to court. He doesn't have a legal leg to stand on and doesn't sound any more worthwhile than his stallion. If there is no contract, then he can't legally do anything. He is just trying to bully you into giving in. Its hard to hold something like that up in court unless you have a clearly worded contract with two signatures and a witness. You'll end up keeping the foal. You should find a lawyer that deals with this kind of thing or has a good record for similar wins. Ask for references and what his success rate with something like this is. You should be at least asking for lawyer fees out of this. Your lawyer could help you figure out whatelse. He's already threatened theft. He has tresspassed, though that might not stick without signs having been up. Throwing them up now wouldn't hurt. He had to tresspass to get his horse back. I guess you could also say he was aggressive or something. I'd also try to get the judge to order him to geld his stallion in light of all the trouble he has gotten into with it and being this irresponsible as well as trying to extort money from you and threatening to steal the foal. Its definetely worth persuing.

    Now onto the shadier side. I'm a nice person most of the time, but you wouldn't like to be the person trying to do this to me. It pisses me off just hearing about it. If you loose in court or if you just don't care, I'd wait till he's not home, pick up his stallion and haul him off to get him gelded. Have the bill sent to him. That's a bad way to go about it honestly. There are too many witnesses and too much of a paper trail. He could legally go after you then. I hate to say it, but if it was me there would be an accident that couldn't be traced back to me and the horse wouldn't be a problem anymore. I don't let people screw with my horse. ; )

  • 1 decade ago

    Oh my gosh, that is so awful!!! People like him make me so mad! You are most definately in the right, just for him to breed his stud to your filly with out your permissoin is terrible, but then to want money for it and the foal? Ugh! I have so many words for people like him that Y!A doesn't allow. I think if you take it to court and win (I think you will easily) you can request the vet bills perhaps in your charges and keep the foal. I don't know a lot about law, but I hope that you become this guys worst nightmare. I also pray your filly and her foal are both ok since she is so young. Good luck!

  • Anonymous
    1 decade ago

    Wow... Just wow...

    I am surprised you haven't shot this guy between the eyes.

    First off, he has broke way too many laws to even get a chance for the judge to LOOK at him. He's traipsed onto your property without your knowledge which is illegal, and he has bred your mare and his stallion without your consent. And he expects to get REWARDED?!

    Take his @ss to court and sue the hella outta him. That dude needs a wake up call, and he will more than likely be sent to prison.

    Good luck!

    p.s. -- @mulewrangler I highly doubt she is a troll as what kind of troll takes up THAT much time to elaborate and make up a good "story"? Most trolls have an IQ of 20 and can't even end a sentence. She has good grammar, punctuation, etc. She is no troll.

  • gallop
    Lv 7
    1 decade ago

    This is a "he said she said" situation and it comes under property and contract law.

    He has no contract with you, and therefore no claim to a fee or to the foal. Your mare could be in foal to any stallion. He would have to prove there was a breeding contract, a set fee, and that the foal is the get of his stud.

    It doesn't sound as though you have any basis for a lawsuit either. You would at least need to have filed a police report at the time of the alleged trespass, and have recorded an eyewitness account of the breeding. That still would not be proof positive that the foal resulted from that breeding. While you can sue in small claims without need for attorney representation, you have to have viable evidence to base your case on, just as he does, and the basis for the suit has to comply with contract and property laws in your location.

    So, unless you have the necessary evidence, you cannot expect to be awarded anything in a court action. There is no contract, verbal or written, which would serve as a sound basis for a lawsuit by either party.

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    Add....you have no proof of a trespass. You have no witness, no police report, and therefore no provable case. Your neighbor can claim that you trespassed on his property, bringing your mare to his property deliberately to breed her. Can you prove you didn't do that?

    He can claim you made this all up to try to extort money for your mare's vet bills. A judge weighs evidence that backs claims made by both parties. Just saying it happened doesn't serve as evidence.

    Even if you had court admissible DNA evidence linking the foal to the stud, what would that prove? You still have to prove that your mare's pregnancy resulted exclusively from your neighbor's deliberate criminal actions or from his negligence in order for him to be held accountable and for you to be awarded damages.

    Source(s): 57 years with horses Experience with lawsuits
  • Amber
    Lv 4
    1 decade ago

    There is no way in hell this guy can win. He went on to your property without your permission and bred your mare without you knowing.

    Plus, he has nothing signed that says you wanted your mare bred. Oral contracts mean nothing. This guy doesn't have a chance in hell.

    I would sue him for everything, extra feed, vet, emergency vet, all up until the foal is weaned. You could probably get away with doing that.

    I also think it's nice that your keeping the foal. At least it will have a good home with you.

  • 1 decade ago

    You and William have no contract saying you allowed him to breed his stud to your mare, or that you would pay the stud fee, or that he could get the foal. Unless there is some other fact of the case that we don't know about, I don't see how he could possibly win in court.

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