Since wins don't matter when determining Cy Young how about we make this guy the CY Young Award winner? :P?

Thank you Scooter! Finally someone understands. When people say wins don't matter, they mean that they SHOULDN'T matter. Huge difference. Whether people like it or not, Cy Young voters put a great deal of consideration into wins and loses. Regardless of their ERA, someone who is 12-12 is not going to win the Cy Young

How funny is it that you ask about Kevin Millwood, when he was actually a really good pitcher when he was with the Atlanta Braves. He was one of the pitchers who pushed the Braves to the World Series in 1999. His stats that year were the following...

IP: 228

W-L: 18-7

ERA: 2.68

SO: 205

WHIP: 0.996

Not to mention he finished in third place for the National League CY Young Award that year. It is funny just how much players can change to the point where people forget about them altogether.

Honestly, I don't know what the deal is with choosing who gets the MVP and CY Young Awards. There have been many players over the years who I believed got robbed of that opprotunity. Not to mention that those awards were given to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens WAY TOO OFTEN! When it comes down to it, I have found that the MLB gives these awards to who the fans want to see receive the award. I agree with you, it should be based soley upon wins, losses, and ERA, but that obviously isn't the case if you have Tim Lincecum winning the CY Young Award when he only had 15 wins last year.

Well if the Cy Young Award is supposed to go to the best pitcher, then why do wins matter? Yes they are important, but wins should not mean everything. After all, every other stat is a reflection of the pitcher. If a pitcher has a high ERA, its because he did not pitch well. If a pitcher strikes out a bunch of hitters, it is because he is a good pitcher. If a pitcher gets a lot of wins, it is not necessarily because he is a good pitcher. It just means that he gets adequate run support whenever he pitches. Look at Derek Lowe. He has won 15 games with an ERA over 4. Lowe is almost in the top 5 in the NL in wins but he has been below-average all year.

My point is this: If the Cy Young Award goes to the best pitcher, and Felix has better stats in all other categories that do not rely on the help of you teammates, then it should go to Felix. After all, it is an individual award.

Of course! I was going to vote for him too!

Back to official business. :)

For this years Cy Young Award discussion, I plan to stay out of it. I'm neutral in all this because I believe wins don't matter in a Cy Young discussion but on the other hand, I believe winning percentage does. For example, you can win like 18 games and still lose 19 games and that will not get you a Cy Young award.

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Scooter.

Greinke won just last year (deservedly) and had fewer wins than CC, Felix and a few others. Wins is not an isolated measure of pitching, that's why many of us don't use it to determine how good a pitcher is. But in the absence of wins we DO look at several other stats. ERA is still the most important in my opinion (Felix is 2.31...just a little better than Millwood, lol).

And just because Cy Young voters didn't always make the best decisions in the past is not a reason for them to continue to make bad decisions...

I google'd "Cy Young Award" and the definition i got for it was ... "the Cy Young Award is given out the the best pitcher their respective league"

Now according to the definition of the Cy Young Award, wins have nothing to do with it. I'm sure you can agree that Felix has been hands down the best pitcher this year... And if the Cy Young Award is SUPPOSED to go to the best pitcher, then I don't see why Felix wouldn't win it.

Haha I know you're being sarcastic. The reason Hernandez is getting so much attention is because of his ERA and K's. Honestly I haven't looked into this much and I'm pretty neutral right now, so I'm gonna make a little side by side comparison here if you don't mind:

Hernandez Sabathia

GS 33...... 33

W-L 12-12...... 20-7

ERA 2.31...... 3.26

WHIP 1.063...... 1.212

CG 6...... 2

SHO 1...... 0

IP 241.2...... 229.1

SO 227...... 189

WAR 5.6...... 5.1

From what I see, Sabathia dominates in one category while Hernandez seems to beat him in all other categories, and he's doing it on a much poorer team. There's almost a whole point difference in ERA!!! A one point difference is a HUGE difference in ERA. That really stands out to me. The next thing is that they've started the same amount of games, yet Hernandez has pitched more innings (likely because of his complete games) and has more K's (likely that he has better breaking pitches). I'm not taking anything away from Sabathia because he's had a great season, but my vote goes to Hernandez.

I agree with you to a point. Not that the Cy Young should be given to the person with the most wins, but that wins should factor in some ways. Between Lester, Price or Sabathia, I would have to give Price or Lester the edge on CC, because statistically, they have had much better seasons than CC, while their wins are almost identical.

But for Felix, well yes he is on a terrible team and that's cost him big. But this is a can of worms you can't open, because a pitcher's job is to win the game. And that means that 50% of the time, Felix gets outpitched. You can't give a Cy Young to a pitcher that can't get the job done, half the time, no matter how mind-boggling the stats on him are.

Wins shouldn't be the deciding factor, but I think it would be an understatement saying that they don't matter. I think ERA is a really important factor, just looking at this Kevin Milwood doesn't have a chance. Even though if he had a 3.28 ERA, he wouldnt even be considered because of such a bad win total. Felix Hernandez should be considered if not win it, because of his good stats, besides the wins. But your right wins do mean a lot.

16 wins is the lowest win total to ever win the Cy Young. No 500 pitcher is going to win the Cy Young ever.