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how can anybody defend supply side economics when supply exceeds demand?
What I don't understand is how people can defend supply side economics when supply exceeds demand. I mean just because the supply side of our economy has more money, doesn't mean that it's a good idea for them to invest that money in the market. And if they're smart they wont invest that money. At least they won't invest it in the faltering american market. If they don't invest it in the market, how can that money "trickle down"? If the money doesn't trickle down, then how can the bulk of american consumers increase their demand? If demand doesn't rise, then how will the market ever recover? Re-distribution of wealth is inevitable. Re-distribution of wealth is what drives the us economy. Whether its re-distributed through government action or inaction doesn't matter. But without a good balance of supply and demand as well as a healthy middle class, the re-distribution grinds to a halt. The american economy grinds to a halt. Honestly the only immediate and effective way to boost demand is to distribute a modest amount of money to the true consumers of this country. The middle to lower class off this country. I just don't see how people cant accept this is a valid argument. Please illuminate me if you find flaws in this logic.
I have to say, thewon4 made some excellent points. The rest of you seem too cought up in clold war paranoia. Although Im no economics major I understand his arguments about purchasing power parity and its role in lowering prices on goods produced. I also understand the benefits of "teaching a man to fish" as he pointed out. However i might counter that broad swaths of the unemployed have been fishing for years. The issue seems to be that the fish arent biting quite so much as they used to. What I would have proposed is the same thing that the CBO proposed would be the most effective stimulus strategy of all. That is, unemployment benefits. Pay a jobless person a portion of his old salary, and those dollars are more likely to go back into the economy quickly than if you let a millionaire keep more of her money after taxes. It's no magic bullet of course. But I sincerely believe it would help.
I do recognize the benefits of supply side economics but I would argue that these policies can be sluggish and inneffective when un tempered by quick, relatively painless stimulus. I generally dont favour the kind of government industrial policies that seem to trickle down as slowly as tax cuts for the rich without the benifits of innovation or efficiency. But I do believe there is something to be said for modest re distribution of wealth to the poor. Call me a pinko commie liberal if you will but I believe the immediate commercial benefits of such actions outweigh whatever hints of apathy may grow in the lower class.
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- 1 decade agoFavorite Answer
It's really not very difficult.
Inflation causes real wage increases (but not purchasing power parity) which destroys labor b/c businesses want to outsource and lay people off. Supply side economics (by reducing taxes on producers, by increasing producer subsidy, and by reducing barriers to entry) puts deflationary pressure on prices. If you stabilize the currency (the goal after stagflation) and you eliminate or reverse price inflation, you actually stabilize the labor force (by creating "stagnant" real wage) and you stop outsourcing pressure. Furthermore, even though real wages are stagnant, purchasing power parity is held steady or perhaps improved in some instances as corporate taxes and governmental regulatory waste are no longer passed on to the consumer.
The temporary excess of supply reduces prices and moves the economy towards a more efficient equilibrium (if an entire economy can have just one equilibrium). Outsourcing pressure is relieved by wage stabilization and prices are stable. Liberals have correctly pointed out that stagnant real wages makes it difficult to get a bigger piece of the pie that's being baked by the top 1%. They are correct, but socialism and income redistribution to do not remedy the situation. Only improving purchasing power parity of the dollar can aid trickle down. The only way to help the middle class up is not to pull the top down, but to use education to teach them how to fish (so to speak) and teach them how to build an asset base for the next generation of their family. That explains why Reagan pushed for college loans (unfortunately consumers have not paid attention to tuition costs).
If I gave you 1 million dollars right now b/c I am rich and you are poor, I certainly could never expect you to build a billion dollar empire. You'd need training, assistance from others, and ideas/products/services that people need. The same is true of income redistribution. It really only stimulates the retail economy and the consumer debt sector unless people understand how personal finance and business work. It's kind of difficult to believe they understand business or finance when they are demanding higher taxes on businesses or they demand more money from the wealthy. Surely even the most liberal citizens can understand that taxing a rich man does not make a poor man better off. If anything, economic theory indicates the exact opposite. We've raised Federal tax revenues from 500B in 1980 to 2.5T in 2007 by cutting taxes! Yes, the rich have more, but so do all of our massive social programs.
Trickle down was working splendidly all the way through Clinton's admin, but during the late 1990s our currency became so powerful that people started lusting after imports. It started to hurt our balance of trade and when the Chinese economy started to surge and oil prices started to rise, we had an epidemic. Despite the Feds best effort to devalue our currency (again to stop outsourcing and to close our trade deficit), consumers never got the memo. They continued buying more imported goods on credit and buying more SUVs which required more oil imports.
Besides the housing collapse, lower middle class got poorer during the Bush years b/c purchasing power parity disintegrated due to rising oil prices. Part of this was the Fed's fault, and part of it was the Chinese fault (buying oil and failing to develop it) and a much bigger part was consumers behaving really badly.
The impoverishment of our nation at the end of the long boom had little/nothing to do with temporary excess supply. The flaw in logic is that you are only focusing on real wages not on the purchasing power parity of the wage they earn. You're focusing on governmental regulation to control capitalism (it doesn't) rather than consumer demand (the real regulator of capitalism). It's the same mistake people make nearly every time they criticize supply side. If you think back, purchase power parity was so good it started causing some minor problems at the end of the 1990s.
Supply side couldn't have been used after the economy collapsed. Bush/Obama know that, and they changed course to Keynesian. You can't use a deflationary economic system to manage an economy struggling with deflation. Once the economy stabilizes, supply side is one of the best options for managing a growing economy. Businesses hate it. Any wonder they've bought Congress?
- ?Lv 71 decade ago
Easily. Mostly it's because we know what supply-side economics is.
Natural laws do not change with circumstances. When supply exceeds demand the laws of supply and demand still apply.
Re-distribution of wealth is inevitable. There are EXACTLY two disagreements on the details
1) All Democrats demand the GUARANTEED redistribution of wealth by voluntary means should be PREVENTED and REPLACED by FORCE.
2) No Democrat believes the self-evident FACT that new wealth is constantly created. (nor anything else that's self-evident.) Therefore, they REALLY BELIEVE the only way for "the poor" to survive is through means already long-PROVED to hurt the economy and make the poor even WORSE-OFF.
- ?Lv 41 decade ago
Your logic seems fine. From what I gather China has a considerable amount of the money in the world economy and the USA among many others are in debt. Apparently there is a lot of effort going in to convincing the Chinese that they really should give something back and not hoard all the wealth - seems them being a nuclear power prevents the more traditional solutions of going to war to solve such economic problems.
- PfoLv 71 decade ago
"Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as adjusting income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. Consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics
What you are talking about is not supply-side economics.
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- El TecoloteLv 71 decade ago
You're not bringing up the part where you simply drop the supply if there's too much for the demand.
Phelps Dodge, which was recently bought out by Freeport McMoran, does this as a regular part of their existence. Too much copper on the market? Simply stop mining it for a while. They control the price of copper by doing that.
What is so hard about understanding such a simple concept that you had to write four paragraphs and cram them into the one paragraph above?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
When supply exceeds demand prices fall unless prices are being control by hedge fund manager like George Soros (big democrat supporter and collapser of world currencies) manipulates prices.
- ?Lv 61 decade ago
Right in the middle of your rant, I found the following idiotic statement: "Re-distribution of wealth is what drives the us economy."
- Rick31Lv 71 decade ago
It's kind of like the housing market where I live. There are so many vacant houses and little demand. Supply side has to rely on high demand, and without that demand it falls on its side.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
The flaws in this argument... It doesn't work. See the USSR for more details.
When you punish people for success and innovation.. you end up with nobody even trying anymore.