How vital is it for Christians to accept the Trinity doctrine? Can failure to do so affect their salvation?

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" But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth : for the Father seeketh such to worship him "

" God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth " John 4: 23--24

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So God is a Spirit ! Not a group of persons or people !

People of the trinity error !

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I hear this said, … God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost !

Which one of the three gods of the Trinity said “ thou shalt have no other god before thee “ and which two ( 2 ) are the false gods.

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Can anyone explain the difference between, titles and a name ? Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are titles. Even if we did not use the bible, just using English, one must know the difference.

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When one goes to the bank to cash one’s paycheck, does one sign one’s titles on the back of their paycheck, or one’s name?,___ Titles like father, husband, son, homemaker, baker, candlestick maker…I don’t think people understand the difference between titles and a name.

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In Matt. 28:19 the Lord told his apostles to " baptize in the NAME of "…, And His apostles did what He commissioned them to do.

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In Acts 2:38 They baptized in the name of ( not titles ) Jesus Christ.

Because they understood that Jesus is the Father in creation, the son, in redemption, and the Holy Ghost in regeneration. The Apostles had just been with God in the flesh !

Emanuel, God with us !

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That which was in Mary was of the Holy Ghost, not the Father ! Jesus said He would send the Comforter, the Holy Ghost ! Because Jesus is the Holy Ghost !

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God is not a “ them” … God is not plural. …In many places in the Bible the phrase… “ The Lord thy God “. Appears … That is not (2) two but ONE. ! ( titles not a name ).

The only place in the Bible that talks about 3 is in, ( 1 John 5: 7 ) So there are not three Gods or three persons, but three manifestations of the ONE God. “These three are one “

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And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elder, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the SEVEN SPIRITS of God sent forth into all the earth.___ ( Revelation 5: 6 ) .

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In Isaiah 11: 2 those seven spirits are mentioned … spirit of the Lord, … spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord…

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So to answer the Question as to whom the Lord was talking to in Gen. 1 : 26 one could say the Lord was taking counsel, with Himself. Or one could say the Lord was talking to one of the Seven spirits of God !!

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One thing is for sure,… God in Gen. 1: 26 was not talking to a lesser god or to Jesus, because Jesus is God in the flesh, .. God with us.

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“And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven” ( John 3 : 13 )

Now Jesus was in heaven and on earth at the same time…when he made that statement. ___ Only God could be in two places at the same time…!!

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Salvation is when one is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and when God baptizes that person with His Spirit ( The Holy Ghost ) with the evidence of speaking in other tongues ( languages not taught ) as the Spirt gives the utterence. See Acts chapter 2 : 4 ____ and Acts 2:38.

This is the Gospel of the Lord .

This is what as known as being Born Again !

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John Wesley said, “Bring me a worm that can comprehend a man, and then I will show you a man that can comprehend the triune God!”

There are too many Scriptures to tell us that INDEED a Trinity is so....to deny this is denying the Holy Spirit which could be defined as the the unpardonable sin IMHO, the Bible tells us God said we’re to baptize in Matthew 28 in the name of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Like light, our “One God” is revealed in the three distinct persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. “For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one” (1 John 5:7 NKJV).

Paul frequently referred to the three separate persons of the Godhead. "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14). "How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" (Hebrews 9:14).

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (1 John 5:7). Granted, it is a brain exercise to grasp that one God (“He”) is also, and equally, “They.” Like one rope with three united strands, the three persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit make up the one God.

Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each is God (Ephesians 4:6; Titus 2:13; Acts 5:3, 4), yet there is one God. The removal of one person destroys the unity of the whole.

In Isaiah 6:3, the angels around God's throne cry "Holy, Holy , Holy" three times—once for the Father, once for the Son, and once for the Holy Spirit.

“And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's” (1 Corinthians 3:23). “But I would have you know, that …the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3). The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father. The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father (John 3:35; John 5:22). Indeed, it was God the Father that “gave” the Son. In fact, while it might not be wrong, we are never told to pray to Jesus or the Spirit—but instead to the Father in the name of the Son. Yet just because the Father seems to have supreme authority, it does not in any way diminish from the divinity of Jesus and the Spirit. That would be like saying that a corporal is less of a soldier than a sergeant.

The Father wants to glorify the Son. The Son lives to glorify the Father, and the Spirit lives to glorify the Father and Son (John 17:1, 5; John 16:14; John 13:31, 32).

The Trinity is seen throughout the bible, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. If you've read it cover to cover... I mean actually read by faith, not by sight, you would clearly see it. Why do so many see it and not others, even when it's not pointed out its discovered! Even nature alone, something we see every day in the form of the sun, declares the Trinity.

I believe it is essential to desire to fully know God as He is, not as we would like Him to be. However, there are such things as immature believers. God doesn't expect us to completely understand all aspects of the bible. He encourages us to try because within those pages His character is shown, of which we should mirror it as much as He gives strength to. As long as you are on your way toward that goal, I don't think it affects anyone's salvation. It's when you dig your heels in and say, no way is the Trinity true, that's when it gets a bit sticky. God knows each individual heart, where it is and what it is capable of. Nobody can make that determination. I certainly question the validity of others seeing who God truly is in flat-out refuting His triune aspects. To me that's idol worship, wanting what you prefer instead of leaving your heart open to whatever God wants by slamming the door in His face. But then how many actually embark deliberately on their own honest indepth study of the trinity nowadays?

it truly is in the verison JW's use. right here in the right verision is what John one million:one million. John one million:one million"in the starting up grow to be the be conscious, and the be conscious grow to be with God, and the be conscious grow to be God." Jesus is the son of God(Matthew 14:33). right here's the trinity Father,Son,Spirit information doesnt make you saved.It in simple terms skill you recognize the trinity. that is what you ought to DO TO BE saved. Romans 10:9-10,13"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,and shalt position self assurance in thine heart that God hath raised him from the useless,thou shalt be saved.For with the midsection guy believeth unto righteousness;and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.13 For whosoeve shall calll upon the call of the Lord will be saved."

Since your user info seems to say you are an atheist then why does it matter to you? The Trinity is a statement of belief for all Christians and has been so since the early Church. It is not really up to you or me to decide whether God is a Trinity or not. Either God is a Trinity and we should just believe that he is, or God is not. So our belief should be based on reality and not what we think he is.

But, no one can know whether God is a Trinity or not unless he does something to reveal that to us. Us trying to understand what God is, is like a slug trying to understand a human. How can a slug understand a human? Only if the human does something to reveal himself to the slug. Still, a slug could only understand a slice of all that a human is or is capable of. So it is with us trying to understand God.

When Jesus, the Word made flesh (Jn 1:1) revealed himself to us and revealed his Father to us and revealed to us the Holy Spirit, he showed us that God is 3 divine Persons. He sums it up for us in the great commission when he said, "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you."

Yet, we know that there is only one God. The Trinity is our best effort to understand what Jesus has revealed to us about the nature of God being 3 divine Persons, yet one God. To say that there is only one God and 3 Persons is really to say that each Person shares the same divine nature or substance. That is they have the same essence.

A human being has the essence of being human. A rock has the essence or substance of rock. If I take a rock and smash it into pieces. Those pieces still are rock because they have the same essence as rock. A Person in the Trinity, though, is not the same as a person as we would normally think of a person. You and I are both persons but are separate beings, yet we are both humans. A Person of the Trinity is not a separate being. Rather there is only one being, God, who is 3 Persons. Essence of something asks "what is it?", a person of something asks "who is it?".

Normally we think of one being as having one person. That God is one being yet has three Persons is not a logical impossibility but it is hard for us to understand.

These Persons share the same attributes because they have the same essence. Each Person is for instance omnipresent and omnipotent. However, they are distinct in certain ways, in their names and their roles (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

The Trinity reveals to us that God, essentially, is not a solitary figure but is a kind of family. Is it any wonder then that God places such emphasis on the importance of family in scripture.

As for a Christian not accepting the Trinity, that is really an act of rebellion against authority, against historical Christianity, and against Christ himself who revealed it to his church. It is to say I know better than all of Christianity before me, which is really just pride. The most that they could say is I'm not sure or I don't understand it. But to outright deny it is rebellion. Because the Trinity is a revealed truth and not a derived truth it is something one has to accept on faith. And, if we allow him to, the Holy Spirit can reveal it further to us through his Word.

God Bless

Edit: After further reflection I would have to say that the Trinity is fundamental to Christianity. If you don't accept the Christian doctrine of the Trinity then you've started your own religion.

Some of these people that cite passages try to show that Jesus is calling himself less than the Father in order to show that Jesus is not equal with God. This is the Arian heresy of the 4th century all over again. None of those passages say anything about the divinity of Christ because Jesus is the Word made flesh. According to John 1, Jesus the Word, was God and all things were created through him. That tells us right there Jesus is God. But it also says that the Word became flesh. That means he assumed flesh. He became fully man while continuing to be fully God. So that he has both a divine nature and a human nature. In Christ's human nature he could say that yes he was less than the Father. The human nature is always less than the divine nature. But in Christ's divine nature he is God and co-equal to the Father. After he was raised from the dead he ascended into heaven where he is seated at the right hand of the Father and has received all dominion and power.

The trinity doctrine is not a Bible teaching. It is based on the Catholic Athanasian Creed which was devised over 350 after the death of Jesus. Consider how the trinity doctrine opposes what Jesus taught:

1. The trinity doctrine says: "We worship one God in trinity."

The Bible says that the "one God" is the Father. As 1 Cor. 8:6 says: "we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything.

The Bible does not say God is worshipped as a trinity of persons. At John 4:23, Jesus said: "But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way."

2. The trinity doctrine says: "The Father is God, the Son is God, and the holy spirit is God."

The Bible says that the Father, NOT a trinity, is the "only true God." (John 17:3)

3. The trinity doctrine says: "In this trinity, none is greater or less than another."

At John 14:28, Jesus said: "The Father is greater than I a,."

4. The trinity doctrine says: "The Son is God."

At John 10:36, Jesus said of himself: "I am the Son of God," NOT God himself.

5. The trinity doctrine says: "He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity."

NOWHERE in the Bible did Jesus teach that belief in the trinity is required for salvation.

"No Apostle would have dreamed of thinking that there are three divine Persons" (Emil Brunner, Christian Doctrine of God, Dogmatics, Vol. 1, p. 226).

"Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity" (Encyclopedia of Religion, Vol. 15, p. 54).

"The New Testament writers...give us no formal or formulated doctrine of the Trinity, no explicit teaching that in one God there are three equal divine persons.... Nowhere do we find any Trinitarian doctrine of three distinct subjects of divine life and activity in the same Godhead" (Fortman, The Triune God, pp. xv, xvi, 16).

"Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament" (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 1985, Vol. 11, p. 928).

"As far as the New Testament is concerned one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity" (Bernard Lohse, A Short History of Christian Doctrine, Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1966, p. 38).

"The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity" (The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, ed. Colin Brown, Zondervan, 1976, Vol. 2, p. 84).

The trinity doctrine is clearly not a Bible teaching. Those who believe in it are putting themselves in the same class as the religious leaders of Jesus' day. Of them, Jesus said: " But in vain do they worship me, Teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men." (Matt. 15:9)

The earliest schisms in Christianity came in the 5th century when certain congregations of the ancient Church (especailly thos found in the present-day Middle East) came to believe that Christ' nature was that of being entirely divine, and that He was not of the same essence as the human race (in other words, He was not both God and man, but a manifestation of God only).

It isn't vital *at all* to accept the trinity doctrine.

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

When God manifested Himself in a permanent manifestation to this world, he did not take on himself the nature of angels, but the seed of Abraham as so stated. Hebrews 10:5 outlines clearly that 'a body hast thou prepared me.' The flesh and blood of Jesus was a body prepared to house a God (Eternal Spirit) that had always been. Now we have God in the flesh, a permanent manifestation for all time!

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

When Jesus was manifested in the flesh, it was not a second person of the Godhead come down to earth. God did not so love the world that he said, "Come Son, I love them down there so much, you go down and die for them!" Such a concept is totally spurious and absurd! In light of this truth, John 3:16 now takes on significance of meaning never considered before, for in reality it can simply read: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten - (BODY) - that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God did not give the blood of his son, but rather he gave his own blood exactly as Paul wrote in Acts 20:28 "...GOD, WHICH HE HATH PURCHASED WITH HIS OWN BLOOD"

If God, sent a son, the second person in the godhead, to die on the cross, then He instituted CHILD SACRIFICE. This is in total disharmony with anything Biblical concerning the nature of God. God did not send his son, a second person in the godhead to die for mankind, He came Himself in the body of Jesus Christ! The body of Jesus Christ is the only visible manifestation of God we will ever see... because God is a Spirit. The incarnation provided a 'body' for that Spirit to visibly dwell in - ie., Emmanuel, God with us in the Flesh... Colossians 2:9 states it so succinctly: "For in Him (Jesus Christ) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Here the Scriptures declare that Mary was found with child of the Holy Ghost! What right then does the Father have to claim the 'fathership' of the child? The only explanation that can possibly be made is that the Father and the Holy Ghost are one and the same and that the body of the child is the visible manifestation of the invisible God - God with us in the flesh!