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What is the reason for the lack of civil discourse the politics section?
It seems that most of the posts in this section are asked in such a fashion as to achieve a very biased answer if they are not out right attempts at flaming and trolling, is there any reason for this?
Also why is it that for some reason people tend to use various political terms as epithets and generally improperly or out of context.
Also Liberal, Socialist, Democrat, and Communist aren't synonyms those terms have different meanings and being a member of on group doesn't mean you share beliefs or membership in another. The same is true of Republican, Conservative, and fascist. Why do people seem to want to combine these? Also your political party membership has little to do with your native intelligence and far more to do with your moral beliefs, what you feel will be best for your country, and your social position in life or dedicated self interest, whats the reason for attacking something you can't possibly know about another poster based on their views?
To wait a minute, I am specifically discussing here on the yahoo forum not politics in general, but I also note that there in the past of history tended to be far more attacks on the policies and ideas espoused by a person than on the intelligence, taste and honor of the person themselves. Now this could have been due to the possibility that the person you were attacking was likely to take askance to your attack over a pair of .45 to .65 caliber flintlock duelers or simply beat you with a cane but the tone has definitely been devolving a bit.
Student thank you for a well thought out post and providing some statistics of ideological measurement. You did not provide actual answers to the questions being asked simply some related observations. It could also be argued that to some extent biased to certain backgrounds and cultures and does not provide an absolute sense of learning ability or potential but a relative one beyond a simple. As for college education and graduation providing actual insight into intelligence I am very skeptical as well with the different factors that play into college college acceptance and funding. Look at the shifting demographics of college acceptance and you see the cause of the day of 5 to 10 years earlier It is obviously a field with very heavy outside manipulation than a students ability to proclaim a direct linkage between a persons ability and their education in the united states seems at best idealistic.
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- student_of_lifeLv 61 decade agoFavorite Answer
Maybe party membership is not related to intelligence, but ideology does seem to be related to education. Also, education tends to be related to intelligence (for example college grads tend to have a slightly higher IQ - 115 or so I believe - than the average population, and graduate students and graduates of doctorate programs tend to have slightly higher still - 120 or 125 compared to a general population average of around 100. And, as is well-known, people with higher education levels tend to be more liberal.
And you're right about moral beliefs influencing political beliefs, but even moral beliefs are thought to relate to intelligence. This is controversial but there is evidence that people with higher intelligence levels operate at higher levels on Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg%27s_stages_o...
But you are absolutely right that we can't attack somebody's intelligence on the grounds of their ideology or party affiliation. Even IF one side or another tends to be smarter, those are only averages; you can't be certain about individuals. Plus, of course, being intelligent or educated doesn't mean you are right - someone could be less intelligent than you but be making a much better argument.
I think you've asked a really interesting question. You probably should re-ask it in psychology. I'm not an expert, but I do believe that there are a number of biases that lead to this. Many people, when confronted with opposing viewpoints react by entrenching themselves in their own viewpoint rather than considering contrasting evidence. This has been shown by the "factcheck" phenomenon - people react to articles which attempt to "factcheck" false claims by continuing to believe those false claims. This is probably more likely when they have publicly committed to a position (how many people on here ask those biased questions then select as the best answer someone who disagrees with them?). The anonymity of the site further adds to the level of hostility and stupidity - people will say things on here they never would in real life. I also think that there is a tendency here for constant escalation - once one person says something outrageous and stupid, it will egg on either people on their side or people on the other side who feel a need to reply. Logic is all well and good, but it doesn't have the emotional satisfaction than an irrational outburst has.
In the end there are a bunch of factors that make it very unlikely for this category to produce much that's worthwhile. I don't think there is anything that any of us can do, since the site will probably always regress to the mean (ha, a pun). Maybe Yahoo should try to reorganize the site and to weed out the BS - requiring accounts be connected to facebook profiles has reduced hostility and stupidity on other sites. I don't know what else, but maybe if we understand how the arrangement of the site contributes to the problems you mention, we could come up with better arrangements which reduce the nastiness level and increase the intelligence level. Ah, but I can dream. :)
Waitaminute: Political rhetoric and bombast has a role to play, sure, but that doesn't mean we should greet every bit of nasty stupidity that raises its head as if it were the equivalent of a Lincoln speech. The Founding Fathers certainly didn't think that everybody's speech and ideas were equal in merit - they thought that rational deliberation was important. This isn't a curtailment on free speech, just a recognition that all speech is not equal. When private websites, such as yahoo, choose to regulate the speech that occurs on them, that is not an infringement of the right to free speech. I don't think a group hug solves a whole lot; I think logic, evidence, rational argumentation, and, admittedly, inspired rhetoric can solve a lot. What goes on here makes those difficult or impossible.
Source(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization_%28psych... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_biases#Soci... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_polarization - Anonymous1 decade ago
It's very hard to be civil here.
It seems the village idiots have made this forum their home.
Here they are:
Top Answerers in Politics & Government
Position Member Best Answers
1 Paul Grass™℠ 18555
2 wizjp 13003
4 MikeGolf 11176
5 George L 10031
6 trooper3316 9188
Let's add 'waitaminute., shall we?
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Cause this is been going on since 911..People are no longer content to believe what the corporate news media hand feeds us.
Yahoo Politics is the worst of the worst, a cesspool...Yang?
You would be better off just to leave before it rubs off on you.
- Anonymous5 years ago
Because liberals are nothing more than ignorant Leftist thugs led by talking points. Faux News, Faux News, Sarah Palin, Crosshairs, Faux News.
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- toonistcar90Lv 61 decade ago
Children & Progressive defamatories
I'm no lover of Democrats politics mostly, but I've told a few harping asshole children off who were bashing democrats in personal ways
- Anonymous1 decade ago
You think lack of civil discourse in politics is new? You think Obama's remark, "If they [polititical opponents] bring a knife, we'll bring a gun" is new?
Read history. Rhetoric, bombast and outrageous political comments are the essence of American political history. That's why the Founders embraced the First Amendment, including the right to state your mind, to state what you think -- and they weren't talking about yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
But maybe you've been taught that a "Group Hug" solves everything, a basic principle taught in our government schools?
- ?Lv 41 decade ago
You will not find the things you seek here, Grasshopper. This is more like a big playground for grownups. Alright, maybe grownups isn't the right word. But you get the idea.
- 1 decade ago
This si a fun forum if you want real serious Politics, look elsewhere,
- 1 decade ago
I try not to spend too much time here. The lack of truth on display is somewhat astounding. Later!!!