Are teachers to blame for high school drop out rates?

There is enough blame to go around for every one.

*Parents who don't get involved with what their children are doing in school.

*Teachers who have no backing in discipline from the school administration

*School boards who dumb down the educational system to allow minorities to appear equal.

*There are way many more

PH

Since when are bad teachers usually fired? What country do you live in? Definitely not the USA...

I could give you my own experience with the public school system and say "because of this youre wrong," but you would just say thats my opinion (and I'm right). Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw

http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_says_schools...

One of my ex-friends was a very horrible teacher as well. I used to help her grade papers because she always had so much of it to do... but the way she talks about her students - I gotta tell you, I felt sorry for the little 4th graders. Their teacher scoffs at them. Never had anything good to say about them. No love at all. She thought they were stupid except for the couple of kids that made A+ on everything... I remember her asking me my opinion on whether or not she should mark off for something a kid had written, but I had to correct HER interpretation of it as she was wrong! Thanks to me that kid got a decent enough grade... A really terrible teacher but she will never ever be fired because she has plenty of protection.

EDIT:

Oh yea, and a while into our friendship I found out that she was on drugs. Now how does a public school teacher get away with doing narcotics? Shouldnt they be testing these people? Unions say no? Whats the deal?

Its funny how during presidential elections she talks about needing a president who cares about education (meaning she wants to get paid more.)

There is plenty of blame to go around:

parents, kids, teachers, unions, DOE, genetics, a system (and attitudes [I have personal experience with this])that penalizes kids with creative minds, plenty of others I'm sure...

Unfortunately, the bad teachers are not fired since they're protected by the Teachers Union. The union promotes mediocrity and since teachers know they'll never have to do more than simply show up to work to keep their jobs there is never again going to be a reason for them to actually care about the outcome of the work do.

Yes, they are held accountable, the school administration, the department of education and the Union are all to blame.

Public school teachers receive tenure after 1 year. What is tenure? A guaranteed job for life. It's virtually impossible to fire a tenured teacher.

well i really think it depends on where those kids live. if they live in a bad neighbourhood they most likely have bad influences in their life that they dont realize. they all think there lil gangsters and nothing can stop them until real life knocks them down. so at school, they dont care about school. i was kind of the same way throughout high school. im in grade 12 now, 2nd semester and only now am i doing the best that i can, only because someone.. you can say "inspired" me to become better of myself. my parents always told me since the beginning that how well i do in school is how well im going to do in the future but i just let it slip cause they were older and i thought that they didnt know what they were talking about. but then someone a few years older (22) told me the same thing and for some reason his saying clicked in my head only because i saw him rise his way up for a situation similar but worse than mine. so really, the teacher can be good or bad, doesnt matter. it depends on the student. but of course, if you have a teacher who is good at teaching that usually works well too. because it helps the people who have a hard time learning but want to learn even though at times they want to give up and join the unmotivated kids.. still let them succeed. now, i also know some bad teachers, who i have had and failed entirely because of them. cause i dont have the money to spend extra for tutors just because the teacher.. who's job it is to etach me in the first place couldnt do their job properly. also, if you make the class boring.. no one wants to really pay attention to what comes out of their mouth. learning is suppose to be fun. i dont mean fun like a party, but fun enough to want to know more and ask questions.

anyways, before they fire the teacher and go that extreme.. they always have other people marking them on how they teach. they dont just automatically fire them because of the passing rate.

um.. i definitely rambled on this answer but i'm hoping it helps in some way.

and btw, we have a pothead as a teacher at our school and he doesnt teach ****. but he is very well educated so the school keeps him because it makes our school seem good on the "outside"

Teachers get fired?

Teachers are supposed to teach kids. When U.S. kids fall to 25th in the industrial world, yes, we blame the teachers. The teachers should be professional enough to learn from the 25 countries ahead of them. What we know is, we spend more money for education than all the others, and we get far less in return. Something has to change.

I believe education starts @ home. From day 1 parents r responsible for teaching their children respect, responsibility & for motivating them to b their best. Parents have become horribly lazy & let their children make decisions for themselves. Teachers r not to blame when a student fails parents are. If we care about our kids @ all then we should stay in their business & keep an eye on their grades.

I have a 15yr old stepson who was an A student until 6th grade, when his mom started "living her own life". He doesn't get punished for bad grades or not turning in his work so y should he even try? When I was growing up one bad grade on a progress report or report card ment I was grounded until the next time grades were sent home. Remember when grounding ment- no tv, no phone, no friends over, nothing- just reading books? My stepson has grades under 50 in multiple classes yet he gets to keep his phone, games & tv. Plus she keeps buying him games to play. HELLO people we r not our children's friends, we r their parents

Personally, I want my children to grow up & move out so they r pushed to do their best @ everything they do. Failing is unacceptable.

Bless u for putting up w/the disrespectful children of today & attempting to teach them anything

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Don't put that spaghetti on my ears. To fire a teacher something bad should really happened. Even if teacher molesting child right in the classroom, they won't fire that teacher, just put on the pay leave for many years. Thanks to unions.

So don't spread that b of s about firing teacher because of bad pass rate. They are constantly have 70% drop out rate in LA unified, no one got fired yet. LA unified is not private schools, so there you go for your private school teacher scam.

in my state they give HS diplomas to people who can't read. yet a teacher can't be disciplined for a high fail rate, so i dunno what you are talking about.

the problem with the HS are that they force kids to go, and keep them in even if they get straight F's all the time.

if a 16yr old wants to drop out, and go to work let him. it will make room for the kids who want to learn.

it only takes 1 or 2 screw ups to bring down a class of 30.

EDIT- in my state some teachers get tenure after only 2yrs. it takes years, and 100's of 1000's of dollars to fire a teachers even if they commit a lewd act.

I blame parents who don't understand the value of an education. They don't see to it that their kids go to school everyday nor do they make their kids study and do their homework. They let their kids run around all hours of the day and night. Ten to one most dropouts have parents who are dropouts or are too stupid to realize that they aren't going to get anywhere without an education. I do not blame the teachers. In fact, I don't think teachers are paid nearly enough for all of the crap they have to put up with. It must be incredibly frustrating to try to teach kids who don't give a damn.