Why is it, when people are looking for a logical explanation for Jesus' birth... (see details please)?

Oh Dear heart,

You did an excellent job at expressing yourself exactly ....And you are correct; it appears that most non-believers and new-comers to the Christian community want to think waaaay outside the box and beyond...I've heard just about every explanation one can and can't imagine...

What I have more trouble rapping my I-tooth around are those who can't comprehend why and that Jesus is OF God or in part God....If we already know and believe that God shed his Spirit over Mary and she became with child at that instant in the stead of going though what we call the norm through intercourse, why is it so difficult for so many and so many religions to have trouble accepting that Jesus is OF God??? For the life of me?

Well it's obvious that she had sex with someone. Some people just like to come up with alternate versions. I wouldn't say the obvious one is that she slept with Joseph. I think the obvious answer is she slept with someone else and, being afraid of what Joseph would do, she said it was a miracle and he believed her--then they went around town telling of the wonderful miracle.

The main reason Atheists come up with all sorts of alternate explanations is twofold:

1) To point out how easy it is to come up with an alternate explanation.

2) To show that extremely outlandish explanations can be made up and still be more likely than the virgin birth.

Just like evolution: Filled with shitty theories and for the last 35 years, those scientists still haven't found sh@t, Haha we can prove that Neanderthals exists, dinosaur bone remains, and even have some speculation of aliens on different planets. UFO sightings. More like getting high on salvia 15x and "seeing" things. But a human being that impacted the world and today a huge proportion are christian, and people claiming that he didn't existed is stupid as f@ck.

Actually I think the atheists are being VERY charitable with the Jesus myth by even giving consideration to how it might be possible for Mary to be impregnated without Joseph ejaculating inside her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHfsJxeAdC8 - Mary being a hermaphrodite is a very real possibility. Jesus was known as Jesus, son of Mary. In semetic circles, only the father is the son of a child.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xczNovau-Y - Mary and Joseph having sex was disproved when Jesus spoke as newborn. He defended his mother's reputation.

Without knowing it themselves, people are looking for either biology, embryology, love or pornography, and not theology. Theology and deism just aren't fun topics, and people are looking for immediate and palpable gratification.

you really need to learn to think for yourself... dump the bible, religion and all that goes with it and you might have a chance.

Muslims respect and revere Prophet Jesus (Peace be upon him), and await his Second Coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as ‘Jesus’, but always adds the phrase ‘upon him be peace’. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (an entire chapter in the Quran is entitled ‘Mary’), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Quran describes the Annunciation as follows:

“‘Behold!’ the Angel said, ‘O, Mary, indeed God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of the worlds. O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.’ She said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.’”(The Final Testament, i.e. Quran, 3:42-47)

Jesus was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam into being without a father: ‘Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, ‘Be!’ and he was. (The Glorious Quran, 3:49)

God is not Jesus. Even Jesus himself rejects this. God said in the Quran:

‘Indeed, they have disbelieved who have said, “God is the Messiah (Jesus), son of Mary.” The Messiah (Jesus) said, “Children of Israel, worship God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever associates partners in worship with God, then God has forbidden Paradise for him”(The Noble Quran-5:72)

About the coming of the last prophet Muhammad, The Holy Quran states in 61:6 that Jesus explicitly mentioned the name Ahmad: “And (remember) when Jesus Son of Mary said: ‘O, children of Israel! I am the Apostle of Allah(sent ) to you confirming the Torah (which came) before me, and give glad tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad(i.e. the second name of Prophet Muhammad, and literally it means the one who praises Allah more than others).”

Jesus had mentioned in John 16:14 that “He shall glorify me”.

1. “He shall glorify me” (John 16:14). Actually the Holy Quran and Prophet Muhammad[Peace be upon him] have more reverence for Jesus[Peace be upon Him] than the Bible and Christians themselves. The following will clarify:

a. To believe in his death on the cross discredits his prophet hood according to Deuteronomy 13:5: “And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death…” It also stamps him as accursed (May God forbid!) according to Deuteronomy 21:22-23: “…for he that is hanged is accursed of God…”

b. Matthew 27:46: “…My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” Could this not come from someone other than Jesus? Even a Non-Prophet would smile at agony as he knew that his death would win him a title of martyr. Was this not an insult to Jesus in not having faith in God?

c. Muslims cannot believe that Jesus could label the Gentiles as dogs and swine and address his mother with Woman, as the Holy Quran states in Surah 19:32: “And dutiful to my Mother[i.e. Mary], and (Allah) made me not an unblessed and arrogant.” Matthew 7:6: “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine…” John 2:4: “Jesus saith unto her(Mary), Woman , what have I to do with thee?”

Was Jesus Crucified?

Muslims say that Jesus was not crucified because in the Quran , it says in Chapter 4:157 that Jesus wasn’t crucified: “And their(Jews) boasting: ‘We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah,’ but they(Jews) killed him not , nor crucified him…and they did not kill him,for certain- rather God raised him to Himself.”. This is in accordance with what Jesus said (Matthew 10:24): “The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.”

Suffering is often exaggerated in the Bible and termed “dead” as Paul said (I Corinthians 15:31): “I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ, I die daily” (i.e. I suffer daily). Here are some of the proofs:

1-On the cross he beseeched God for help (Matthew 27:46): “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” And in Luke 22:42: “Saying, Father if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.”(This cup is the cup of death.)

2-Jesus’ prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God, according to Luke, Hebrews and James. Then how could he still die on the cross?(Luke 22:43): “And there appeared an angel assured unto him from heaven, strengthening him.” It means that an angel assured him that God would not leave him helpless. (Hebrew 5:7)

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In the Bible stories the hottie “Virgin” Mary was barely a teenager. She was still engaged to old man Saint Joseph in spite of her 6 MONTHS of PREGNANCY! She eagerly submitted to the indecent proposal of perfect STRANGERS (Saint Gabriel and God the Holy Ghost). Any other Jewish girl would have been stoned to death (Deut 22:23-24)! Jesus is different. He is LETTING ALL PROSTITUTES GO TO HEAVEN ahead of anybody else!

Matthew 21:31 (NIV) Jesus said to them, "I TELL YOU THE TRUTH* (*NO BULL CRAP!), the tax collectors and the PROSTITUTES* (*including gay and lesbian sluts!) ARE ENTERING THE KINGDOM OF GOD ahead of you* (*straight JEWS!)

No matter how you look at it Jesus is a plain SOB bastard! God doesn’t deal with any BASTARD no matter how Holy until their 10th generation (Deut 23:2), except for the SOB Jephthah who sacrificed his own daughter BY FIRE TO PLEASURIZE THE LORD GOD JEHOVAH (Judges 11).

GOSPEL OF SAINT BARTHOLOMEW…

http://www.gnosis.org/library/gosbart.htm

Chapter 2 (II)

3 Bartholomew therefore said unto Peter: Thou that art the chief, and my teacher* (*forget about Jesus!), draw near and ask her. But Peter said to John: Thou art a virgin* (*NO JOKING!) and undefiled and thou must ask her.

4 And as they all doubted and disputed, Bartholomew came near unto her with a cheerful countenance and said to her: Thou that art highly favored the tabernacle of the Most High, unblemished we, even all the apostles, ask thee to tell us how thou didst conceive the incomprehensible.

5 But Mary said unto them: Ask me not concerning this mystery. If I should begin to tell you, fire will issue forth out of my mouth and consume all the world* (*CROSS MY HEART!).

6 But they continued yet the more to ask her. And she, for she could not refuse to hear the apostles, said: Let us stand up in prayer

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7-13 Pentecostal gibberish…

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14 And when she had ended the prayer she began to say unto them: Let us sit down upon the ground; and come thou, Peter the chief, and sit on my right hand and put thy left hand beneath mine armpit; and thou, Andrew, do so on my left hand; and thou, John, the virgin* (*NO BULL CRAP!), hold together my bosom* (*lucky VIRGIN guy!); and thou, Bartholomew, set thy knees against my back and hold my shoulders, lest when I begin to speak my bones be loosed one from another* (*she was anticipating another orgasmic experience of humongous proportions as when God the Holy Ghost got her pregnant!).

15 And when they had so done she began to say: When I abode in the temple of God, on a certain day there appeared unto me one in the likeness of an angel.

16 And straightway the veil of the temple was rent and there was a very great earthquake, and I fell upon the earth, for I was not able to endure the sight* (*BIG SHLOM!) of him.

17 But he put his hand beneath me* (*right in between my legs!) and raised me up, and I looked up into heaven AND THERE CAME A CLOUD OF DEW* (*Holy Semen) AND SPRINKLED ME FROM THE HEAD TO THE FEET* (*all over her face just like in any hard porn video!), and he wiped me with his robe* (*they had no shower room in the Temple of God!).

Most Christians still believe that Holy Mary never lost her virginity! Her HYMEN WAS STILL INTACT after God the Holy Ghost got her pregnant and even after she DELIVER the Baby God Jesus Christ!

THE PROTEVANGELIUM OF SAINT JAMES

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0847.htm

19. And the midwife went forth out of the cave, and Salome met her. And she said to her: Salome, Salome, I have a strange sight to relate to thee: a virgin has brought forth-a thing which her nature admits not of. Then said Salome: As the Lord my God liveth, unless I thrust in my FINGER, and search the **** parts* (*this check goes BEYOND any casual FONDLING!), I will not believe that a virgin has brought forth.

20. And the midwife went in, and said to Mary: Show thyself* (*spread thy legs! WARNING: Only members of the Clergy and “dedicated Saints” are allowed to legally perform this ritual on any girl suspected to be still a virgin after delivery!), for no small controversy has arisen about thee. And Salome put in her finger* (*inside Mary’s HOLY vagina), and cried out, and said: Woe is me for mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God; and, behold, my hand is dropping off as if burned with fire* (*Mary was a REAL HOT!)!

Saint Salome got very excited using her whole hand in search of the hallowed hymen. But relax all ye Christians, she fully recovered so ye all can still sing along…

“♪♫♪ Faith of our Fathers living still…

♪♫♪ we will be true to thee till death…♪♫♪"