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Anybody ever see a spoiled little kid who.......?
is being told something that they don't want to hear? They put their hands over their ears and start humming and making nonsense noises in order to drown out what they don't want to hear. Does anyone else who participates in the global warming forum find that an apt description of Hey Dook? After I had responded to 2 or 3 of his questions he decided he didn't like my answers or opinions and blocked me from being able to respond. How many of you other skeptics has he blocked from responding to his questions simply because you don't agree with his views? How many of you skeptics find his claims that the people who would disagree with his views are either ignorant or liars, and probably both, to be rather insulting? Do you find it astounding that he believes anyone who is intelligent and educated MUST therefore be in agreement with his positions on climate change? Has anyone ever heard him propose a detailed plan for counteracting AGW, AND give a detailed explanation of what the economic costs, both direct and unintended, will be to implement his proposed solutions? I for one am tired of being labeled a liar by this name-calling alarmist. To be a liar you must be promoting things that you KNOW to be false. I have never written a single word in Yahoo Answers that is a lie because I don't know that any of it is false and quite to the contrary I believe what I believe just as firmly as he believes what he does. There are a whole range of questions about the "science" of global warming that never been answered but anyone who dares to challenge it is instantly labeled as a liar, ignorant or someone who has their head stuck in the sand. Most of the other alarmists in this forum, while seemingly unable to accept that anyone would disagree with their "science", do not make their attacks on skeptics as intensely personal as Hey Dook seems to enjoy doing.
For general information so as to avoid incorrect labels from being applied to me.
1. I am a registered democrat and have been my whole life.
2. I do not now, nor ever have worked for an oil company, coal company, or energy company of any kind and neither have any of my friends or family. I do not have any financial investments with any such companies either.
3. I am a college graduate with a GPA of 3.5, while that is not necessarily genius material I think it realistically puts me somewhere north of "ignorant".
4. I HAVE made it a point to determine all I can about what the economic cost will be of doing something such as shutting down all coal-fired generation of electricty in the US and replacing it with renewable solar generation. Not only the economic costs of it but also the unintended consequences. If you want to learn something scary, THERE is where the frightening future really lies. Anybody else out there tired of the "liar" label?
No one is blocked from MY question.
@ booM....With Hey Dook having me blocked there is no way I can address him directly anymore by answering any of his questions so the only way I can raise a point and direct it at him is by posing a public question in this manner. This was certainly not my first choice for how to address him, but it is the only option he has left to me. Sorry if this comes across as a "rant" to you but it is certainly not any worse than many of the drawn out comments that Hey Dook has posted himself.
And I have yet to hear ANY alarmist address the economic concerns that I raise. If the alarmists have a course of action they want implemented then be open enough to tell everyone else what those actions are and what it is going to cost. As near as I can tell, so far nobody is making any effort at telling me what kind of bang we are going to get for our buck.
@ Trevor
My response to Ottawa Mike is my opinion of the of the facts of the question as posed by Ottawa Mike. Since it is my "opinion" (unless you wish to deny me the right to HAVE an opinion) it is not subject to being termed a "lie" or a "fact", it is simply my opinion. So once again here we have an alarmist who is rushing in with the label of "liar" when it simply is not the case. If I have ever stated anything that is not factual (other than my opinions) then I must plead guilty to repeating incorrect information without realizing it was incorrect, but as far as I know I have not done that either.
NOW, you say you have 22 plausible "schemes" for offsetting climate change. I believe the operative word there is "scheme". Anybody can throw out some goofy idea and term it a scheme. The first one with your fleet of vessels equiped with flettner rotors sounds very similiar to the old "rain making" schemes involving silver iodide which have mostly been abandonded in the region where I
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- PindarLv 71 decade agoFavorite Answer
Yes I'm also blocked,I recently read one of his answers recently which encouraged every believer to block every realist.It's sad that this is level that cultists can drop to,however in the case of hey dook we ain't missing much. His answers are very weak and he has trouble thinking for himself,his main argument seems to be that because some scientists whom he deems to be all wise have stated this to be true then it must be so.The guy cannot think for himself which is very sad,in fact I find that sad in every believer,I bet if a phd told them the moon was made cheese they'd buy it.
- bob326Lv 51 decade ago
I'm an AGWer and he blocked me after one answer:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ah.C4...
My purpose in initially answering the question was hopefully to raise the level of discourse in pointing out that his questions were counterproductive (not in so many words). That they weren't really questions and that it was probably for the best that they were being deleted. He responds, then blocks me.
It's the exception and not the rule, but you'll find unreasonable "proponents". Paul's Alias was one, Bruce appears to be another, and Hey Dook is one. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
- TrevorLv 71 decade ago
Your question is about to backfire because once again, those pesky little things called facts get in the way. I’ve been participating on Answers on an ad-hoc basis for the past 5 years and overwhelmingly the blocking of other users is done by the skeptics and deniers.
On several occasions there have been questions raised about who has blocked who, and I would estimate that for every one person blocked by those who accept global warming, there are four or five times as many people who are blocked by the skeptics.
It’s interesting that you vehemently claim never to have lied when it’s so very obvious that you have. Take the most recent question that you answered, Ottawa Mike asked “What is happening with Arctic ice?” to which you responded “I am positive that if the sea ice had been still decreasing over the last 4 years that they would point to it and claim it as validation of their hysteria. However, since it is going the wrong way for them they claim it is irrelevant as it represents to short of a time frame and should now be ignored.”
Either that’s a blatant lie or you have completely fabricated your answer. Once again, facts are your undoing. The average sea-ice extent so far this year is 13,185,952km², this is the second lowest level ever recorded, only 2006 saw a lower value (13,064,036). Here’s a graph I created and uploaded just a few hours ago, it’s fully up to date…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevorandclaire/56028...
Here’s the sea-ice data for the last 8 years http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent... and for the last 140 years http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/SEAICE/
Please examine the graphs and datasets as much as you want and then tell me how you arrived at your conclusion. In fact, save yourself some time… you can’t. Instead, given that your statement is completely fallacious, perhaps you would like to explain why you felt the need to invent it.
Another insight into how you think is that you state “And I have yet to hear ANY alarmist address the economic concerns that I raise”. If you haven’t heard them then clearly you’ve only been listening to what you want to hear; a recognised condition known as the psychology of denial.
I personally have published six reports looking at the financial implications of mitigating against the effects of climate change and have cited figures on Answers on several occasions.
There are about 22 plausible schemes that have been proposed for tackling climate change (and hundreds of variations thereof). The cheapest comes with a price tag of about $25 billion and involves the construction of a fleet of self propelled vessels, each equipped with a flettner rotor which would propel atomised sea-water into the atmosphere. The sodium chloride crystals would act as the condensation nuclei around which water vapour would condense and form marine stratocumuli clouds. These particularly reflective clouds would return incoming solar radiation back into space before it had time to reach us.
http://www.mmm.ucar.edu/people/latham/files/Latham...
At the other end of the scale is a proposal to construct a massive ‘sunshade’ out in space. This would be built at the Lagrange or L1 point some 1.5 million miles from Earth (where the Earth’s gravitational pull is balanced against that of the Sun). Sixteen trillion glass discs would be launched into space, each equipped with a solar sail and microprocessor, these would position each individual panel in place and so construct a sunshade some 100,000km wide. This would refract about 2% if the incoming solar energy and be enough to compensate for the human component of global warming.
http://www.pnas.org/content/103/46/17184.full#sec-...
Using existing technology the cost of such a scheme would be about $5 trillion. However, with the development of electromagnetic propulsion and launch systems the cost would drop significantly, perhaps to 1 or 2 trillion dollars.
Therefore the cost to mitigate climate change falls in the range of $25 billion to $5 trillion, which we now have to contrast against the cost of no mitigation. The most extensive study into this was commissioned by the British Government and the panel chaired by Lord Stern. The report is known as the Stern Review. In a best case scenario the annual cost of climate change has been calculated to be a global loss of $600 billion, in the worst case scenario the cost is put at $12 trillion a year. By comparison, the cost of mitigation is tiny (somewhere between one sixtieth and one seven hundred and twentieth).
- 1 decade ago
Dook is a harmless kid who I find quite entertaining if you don't take him too seriously. Does anybody here really think a YA post is going to change anything? I don't. And blocking somebody is utter futility. My wife has a yahoo account, so she can access the Dookster's ranting and ravings, and screw with him at my request. And you are right, the eco-nuts never stop to consider the economic cost of their grand plans to save the world. They never think things through.
{Note to Dook and others: My wife is legally entitled to an account here. There is nothing illegal about her viewing and reporting questions on this forum.}
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- Anonymous5 years ago
Sorry, if not for the young drivers, there would be no Nascar, Jeff Gordon, Jr, Kyle, Kurt, Dale Sr, himself, would have all been off the track and no racing for anyone.. it is the sport of racing, and the young blood is needed to revive the sport, the older drivers tolerate them for this reason, keep the sport of Nascar alive and running... ban, the youngsters, then you would have to shut it down.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Hey Dook is too funny. I have to give him thumbs downs now, after all the sniveling he has done about it.
He compared me to the camel riding loyalists of Egypt's recent civil war. Then he blocked me.
But yeah, he contributes even less than Bruce does to this forum. At least Bruce shows them the fruits of their propaganda.
But your summation is entirely accurate. Just a spoiled insolent little child, who is way past his naptime.
And he takes this dumb Q and A stuff too seriously...
- booMLv 51 decade ago
Yes, I have seen a spoiled child blahblahblah. Frankly, your bringing up this 'question' and following rant leads me to think that Hey Dook might have a point. Why would he want to deal with someone who does inappropriate crap like this?
You ought to keep your personal problems between you and Dook and just stick to the issues that this category is intended to deal with.
EDIT: The point is it's YOUR problem. Most people don't care if Dook has blocked you or you think he is childish, and you're not solving anything or helping yourself, Dook or anybody else by putting stuff like this in the Y/A Global Warming category. It's just as childish as anything you are complaining about.
I wonder more all the time if what we see here the level of discourse in the general population? If so, all I can say is Good Lord, are we ever in trouble.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
Hey Dook (Ecoterrorist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayduke) is probably the same person as Dana. The language usage, etc, is almost identical.
- ChemFlunkyLv 71 decade ago
I think he's legitimately pissed off about people routinely lying about climate change, or at least maintaining willful ignorance, and I think he overreacts a bit because of it. Not admirable, but entirely human...