Are the hyper-masculine gay guys just not socially perceived as gay by most people?

The 'bear' movement arose in the 80's as a kind of a reaction against the perception of gay men as effeminate queens to show virile, blue-collar men could live alternative lifestyles as much as anybody else. Many body builders, bikers, skinheads and fetishists fall under this rubric.

However, the way I see it today, there is not much of a difference between bears and queens these days as bear culture has been all but assimilated into the shallow, alcopop-swilling, middle-class mediocrity that mainstream gays had long since resigned themselves to.

It's hard to believe how many self-proclaimed bears now listen to female pop singers, sing karaoke, buy 500 items of clothing a year, go clubbing three times a week, obsess over the all latest handheld gadgets and take an inappropriate interest in current trends and fashions for a middle-aged man. Mindless automations the lot of them.

Basically, yeah. The media represents us a effeminate, so it's what people expect.

It's also partly because effeminate guys are seen as specific to gay culture. Straight guys generally don't act very effeminate.

So people realize that most effeminate guys are gay, and then they assume that means that most gay guys are effeminate.

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Their are actually more masculine gays then feminine.

But just like straight people, we come in all different shapes, sizes, and styles.

and yes to your question. my boyfriend is super masculine and no one ever thinks he's gay until he tells them. Then they don't believe him. XD

true, straight people do not want to believe that masculine gay men exist because then they would have to recognize that if this masculine guy is gay i might be too.

which is totally ridiculous, but there you go.