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Is this a good defense to a window tint ticket?
I was pulled over for running a stop sign and also got tickets for not carrying an insurance card (I was insured) and having illegal tints in New York State. My defense is as follows (I have case citations in my actual document): The tint law is illegal because it infringes upon the federal government's exclusive right to regulate interstate commerce, (I cannot import a car from Texas, where the tints are legal, because of New York State Law). The tint law further violates substantive due process in that it denies my right to property without a fair trial, it is also arbitrarily enforced (the officer only gave tickets to young drivers, I moved for discovery about past ticket history). Further, the law violates the reasonable right to privacy given in Katz v. United States in that I had my car tinted to avoid property theft within my vehicle: this is my personal expectation to privacy, and society as a whole would agree that it is reasonable to not want to have ones property stolen, and property theft should be deterred as much as possible: it is objectively reasonable. Tints are a way to reduce property theft because the thief cannot see if any items of value are contained within the vehicle. I also will move all three charges in the interest of justice, because the officer perjured himself (supporting depo. gave wrong date, wrong time, wrong year vehicle, but right plates) I have a receipt from 7-11 at the time he said he gave me the ticket, 30 minutes away from where he said he gave it. Tell me if I have a chance of winning, thanks!
What about this? When I walk into court the judge will ask on may 17th did you commit these offenses? I show the reciept and a credit card company letter saying I was 30 mins away at the alleged time.
By the way, hotwheels, states have to accept the validity of another state's prudence. For example of my car was registered in Texas NY would have no jurisdiction, just as if I am married in NY it is recognized in all states. And the cases I gave don't apply to other states, they're federal cases. Supreme court cases.
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- Anonymous1 decade agoFavorite Answer
You seem to be attempting to argue that states should not have the authority to regulate anything about cars. This is not, in fact, how it works. California, for example, has different emissions standards than the rest of the country. So, scratch that one.
As for the right to privacy extending to window tint...well...you can't really be serious. It's a very silly argument that super-dark window tint is a deterrent to crime. Tee hee.
- Anonymous1 decade ago
This is what the judge is going to say:
1. It does not infringe upon the Federal Government's exclusive right to regulate interstate commerce because there's no rule that says you cannot import a car from Texas -- it simply says you cannot have window tint, so your choices are (a) leave the car in Texas, or (b) have the tint removed.
2. How does it violate your right to due process? You get your day in court, so how have you been legally harmed?
3. Where's your proof that the law is being arbitrarily enforced? That burden is on YOU. The officer writing the ticket does not have a burden to show that he is not arbitrarily enforcing the tint law.
4. The expectation of privacy argument is a non-sequitur. Katz v. United States deals with wiretapping and therefore does not apply equivocally. The court found that a person who goes into an enclosed phone booth and closes the door has a reasonable expectation of privacy as to his/her conversation, but nothing else. If Katz had been observed smoking a joint in the phone booth, he would not be able to claim reasonable expectation of privacy. The law allows for searching a person's home with a warrant, or by "plain view," and under exigent circumstances. Similarly, the "plain view" rule applies to vehicles, which may also be searched if the police have probable cause of a crime and may also be searched under exigent circumstances.
5. Your argument that window tint should be used as a deterrent to theft is also a non-sequitur because (a) there is no proof that window tint is a deterrent to theft, and (b) more importantly, window tint has been shown to limit visibility, which makes the presence of window tint a safety issue.
6. When you get a drivers license, the fine print says you agree to abide by all the rules and regulations of any jurisdiction in which you operate a motor vehicle. Doesn't matter in which state the drivers license was issued -- you have a responsibility to obey state, county, and local law wherever you're driving, and ignorance is no excuse.
7. Most states will issue you a "fix it" ticket for the lack of proof of insurance. If you go in to the police precinct within ten business days and show them proof of insurance, they'll tear the ticket up. Regardless, the law requires you to have proof of insurance on your person or in your car at all times when operating a motor vehicle.
BOTTOM LINE: The only thing the judge is going to care about is whether you actually committed the alleged offenses, and I can chisel it in stone for you that he's going to take the word of a police officer over yours. And as you can already see, your attempts at legal maneuvering are going to get shot down. The end result is you'll not only end up paying all three tickets, you'll end up paying additional court costs as well.
Source(s): 17+ years experience as a paralegal specialist - Anonymous5 years ago
I tend to think the officer could make a safety inspection, however, I also tend to think that you did not violate the law. What code section were you cited for? If it was VC 26708(a)(2), that statute prohibits driving a vehicle with anything affixed to the window which obstructs or reduces the driver's clear view through the side windows. However, if the window is rolled down, the driver's view is not obstructed. I think it is at least arguable that this statute was not violated. Probably won't do you much good, though, since your big problem is the speeding ticket, and you probably want to drive with the window rolled up sometime, so you might as well have legal windows put in now.
- hotwheels122287Lv 71 decade ago
other states dont care about what other states laws are. the rule of thumb is that you follow the laws of the state you are in even if you are visiting.
its not a good defense.
edit: your comparing marriage to a traffic ticket? come on. do you really think you will get away with this? dont call me out unless you have a valid response.
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- Vinegar TasterLv 71 decade ago
Pay the fine. When you're in public you have no expectation of privacy. The tint can also be used to hide things that are illegal. Your logic isn't logical.
- AnsweringAnswersLv 71 decade ago
At traffic intersections, being able to make eye contact with other drivers is useful.
At traffic stops, an officer's ability to see into your car might keep you from being ordered out at gunpoint.
Source(s): http://www.golocalnet.net/tips/tipm.htm - 1 decade ago
It will be hard because you will be fighting state law. They won't care what the law is in other states. However, you have a good case. I'd say go for it. What do you have to lose?
- LiddelLv 71 decade ago
You certainly have the chance but you might have to take it up the food chain. As far as I'm concerned, you are right. As long as you can see through your windows, it shouldn't matter if someone else can see into the car.
Liberty is wasted on many.
lp