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What is thee great communion ! How did you experience it, feel it in your life.?
@Lapiz as a philosopher did you experience moments of pure joy by being so in tune with the words you read that you felt like one with the author in that moment. That's what I could not express by others words than great communion.
thee is always the problem of separation and confusion by religious minded people with concepts and images. Thee experience for me is any experiences that bring immense joy of melting myself in others.
So far, you are greatly helping me in clarifying an experience of communion. I interpreted it wrong.
Wrong in the origin of the world but more important in the understanding of the experience. Well it is like falling in love. We like in the other person the reflection of ourself we see in him. So, we love ourself only.
@ Yoda, thank you. I will have to read this again to understand . I thought communion was union with.
When I am with a child, I do not see the instant of joy as a reflection of my ideas or concept. There is no thinking there I just receive the beauty.
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- 10 years agoFavorite Answer
Lapiz can be correct by saying that the experience has nothing to do with philosophy although the psychological effect on the experience can make one able to express himself in metaphor or philosophical concept.
Each experience can be different from one another if details of account will be revealed but somewhere along the line the occurrence may show the similar pattern in general. Often, your experience of joy depends on what has been molded in your mind as a form of belief. An ordinary Buddhist will never experience a joy in the presence of Jesus especially if he has no knowledge of the latter.
- Stephen HLv 510 years ago
Things are very simple on all levels of subtlety. There two words "Yes" and "no". And if they get switched, just switch them back. There's nothing not to love. As we get older, we can not only know all the "yes"s but also know how to switch all the "no"s back to "yes"s on all levels. All the "yes"s plus knowing all the switches is the great communion. Anyway, I told you already "Walk in beauty". It's all around and within. It's all one thing around the calm and the love flows in all directions. It's ok. It doesn't bite.
Concepts and ideas are created and there to switch "yes" and "no" and so that reality is bigger, and so we can switch them back to experience and reality. All ways are one way.
Full life is all life and bubbles around nothing, upon expansion the love through creation and upon collapse back the love through return. But complete calm and both at once, that's just pure free will and pure love and beauty and joy and laughter. Asleep or awake, and no matter what doing, still active and receptive at the same time on all levels, and dream changing. And with familiarity and recognition and discernment love grows.
And with words, there's always space between the words. So words and concepts and ideas don't need to have a hold over us. And everything carries a message, and it and we speak in many ways all at once on many levels and so it's all communion.
- Christian MLv 610 years ago
A guitar sitting next to the piano, if it is tuned exactly as one of the keys of the piano will vibrate when that key is struck. Just so, when two souls are tuned by the love and respect and sense of oneness, they will vibrate at the same rate when they experience something together. Without words they know they are of one accord in that moment. I have had that experience enough times to trust it to be true. In that is the wonder of real love that is so rare in the world. It is what is most often missing when people say they are making love. They do not experience that union at all. All they experience is mutual lust. They are not of one accord but each separately experiencing their personal lust with one another. That is the emptiness of most shared lives. But when there is Oneness, a communion of souls, the delight makes all things like new. Knowing our souls only, leads to lust but knowing our Souls to be One leads to Bliss.
Namaste'
- Anonymous10 years ago
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The great communion is unique with each person, and has common elements.
the famous neurologist, V.S. Ramachandran told an audience at the Neuroscience Institute in la Jolla CA, that the brain is wired for the communion, and distinguishes the individual from the commonality by the use of input from the individual's sensory system. In the absence of that input, the brain cannot distinguish the self from the commonality.
I have had several personal experiences of universal openness in which my individuality did not disappear; it was just seamlessly aware of everything else.
There are numerous methods developed by different groups to achieve these ends.
The one I like best is chanting Nam Myoho Renge Kyo, and studying the writings of Nichiren.
The chanting combines the essential concepts of unity of unique individuals, with the functional reality of life operations.
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- YodaLv 610 years ago
Communion.
First it is helpful to trace backwards and inquire what does to commune (to be communion) mean?
Like most Latin words, the origins of 'communion, commune, communication' etc comes from Lydian Greek.
e.g. The origins of commune/communion/communicate:
Commune literally means: To continually shut out (repel, strike back) together.
The roots of the word commune are:
1) Latin "Com": Together, join, unify, with.
~~~(from greek oμ, from ÏÏ Î¼ [sum], variant of ÏÏ Î½ (trans. syn, pron. sü'n)
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2) Latin "Munio": continually close/shut the I (self)
from Gk. ÎÎ¼Ï Î½Ï (trans. amuno, pron. a-mu-no)
****Lit: I continuously close shut, move away from.
~~~~~Gk. a-, short for apo "away from, from," both cognate with Skt. apa "away from,"
~~~~~Gk. mu-, mu- to close, shut, make a wall.”
~~~~~Gk. -v- the action referred to as continuous, not concluded
~~~~~Gk. -Ï: 1st person singular of the present of the verb
So the Latin word Munio (to repel/strike back from behind a wall) comes from the Greek (Gk.) word "Î¼Ï Î½Ï" (muno) means to continually shut, close the I (self).
Thus: a communion is a group of people who are striking back from behind the same defensive wall to keep out the enemy. Interestingly: to communicate literally means "to repel/strike back outwards together". A common goal is a task that a group are manifesting outwardly (striking out) together; further, the word common has also the inferred meaning of being low, uncomplicated, grounded (shut) and hence not high brow and for all the people.
Here is the catch:
There are two varieties of communion
1) The purely physical communion: where a group of people continually close/shut their minds by taking a mental idea/concept and testing (also re-testing) the theory in the physical (outside) world e.g. they enter a gap between certainty and uncertainty which is exploration.
2) The purely psychological communion: where a group of people continually shut/close their physical exploration of the world; thus, what occurs is a pretentious growth of mental ideas that are without any physical relationship to reality.
Psychological communion is where a group get behind a concept e.g. a dogma/doctrine to separate themselves from another group/person. This is war of ideas: getting behind a wall of conceptual notions
The purely physical communion cannot be experienced, it is experience. That is the subtle difference between 'being' and 'becoming': being is physical communion and becoming is psychological communion. When one is in physical communion, there is no self and hence it is not 'you' experiencing; rather, there is only 'experiencing'. Only when psychological communion replaces physical communion is there starts recognition of past physical communion.
Thus: self says only after the fact "I did that". During the fact, there is no self experiencing, only experiencing (being).