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To theists: Why are quotes supposed to impress science-minded atheists?

Often, we are presented with quotes from so and so who said this and that. Some times, they're taken firmly out of context, and sometimes they are fabrications, but that's not my point.

You are appealing to authority when you're trying to bring quotes as an argument. This appeal to authority is an informal fallacy.

At best, appeal to authority is a crutch to lean on if you lack expertise in that particular field, and need an expert to lend credence to your argument. This, however, sinks in the face of the fact that most quotes presented are personal opinions, and as I hope we all know, no one can be an expert on personal opinions.

Now then, I am baffled because of this practice. What's the point? When you debate within your own theistic circles do you all just quote scripture passages to and fro until you're blue in the face? Because if you are, that is not what science does.

A scientist is not judged based on the fact whether or not they believe in sky pixies, but on their works. Isaac Newton was a religious nut, but doesn't make his calculus any less valid because of it. I, personally, I'm not impressed of any personal opinion Newton might have held, quoted at me, when I know what his actual scientific work is.

So yeah. Enlighten me. What's the point? Appeal to authority is a flimsy excuse, and no one who's scientifically minded follows X because they said Y. Passing off personal opinion as an authoritative expertise is also disingenuous at best.

Update:

@Tizona del Cid

Thanks for proving my point, if it did need proving.

Unfortunately, just because science can't know everything, doesn't mean that we can fill the gaps with whatever hodgepodge crackpot lunacy you take most fancy to. Because, conversely, there's an equal infinite number of crackpot hodge-podge lunacies one can take fancy too, and since they're equally nonsensical, one cannot choose one over the other within a reasonable logical framework.

Update 2:

This hits the same wall of logic as solipsism. The outcome is not testable, and it's not falsifiable, and it is not predictable.

Thus, I expect that humans are best served by following the philosophy of results and outcome. Religious thinking had about 5000 or so to improve the quality of life of humankind. It didn't.

Rational thinking only had about 300 years. And in these 300 years, we are leaps and bounds above what we were before.

Science works. Religion doesn't.

Served.

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  • Torgo
    Lv 7
    9 years ago
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    Of course, you are correct that religious quotes from experts in physical science are a logical fallacy. However, it is not a fallacy when the quote comes from someone who really is an expert or representative of religion.

    There are experts on religion that are worth quoting. Joseph Campbell is one of my favorites. Also, some famous people, such as Martin Luther, are quoted to demonstrate the strengths and weaknesses that arise from religious thinking. It's also important to give quotes from Marx, Lenin, Hitler, etc. so we know what their views on religion really were.

  • ?
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    You worship a false god.

    Here are some quotes to prove the claim.

    Gödel was a convinced theist. He rejected the notion of others like his friend Albert Einstein that God was impersonal.

    Kurt Godel believed firmly in an afterlife, stating: "Of course this supposes that there are many relationships which today's science and received wisdom haven't any inkling of. But I am convinced of this [the afterlife], independently of any theology." It is "possible today to perceive, by pure reasoning" that it "is entirely consistent with known facts." "If the world [Welt] is rationally constructed and has meaning, then there must be such a thing [as an afterlife]."[21]

    Kurt Godel worked with Albert Einstein and proved that mathematics the language of science is fundamentally flawed.

    He proved that there are some true statements that cannot be proved true mathematically i.e., scientifically, logically. He also proved there is no way to know how many true statements cannot be proved true.

    This means that science is an intellectual dead end. Science is incapable of finding all truth.

    Here is another quote for you. Stephen Hawking seems to agree with Kurt Godel.

    In his paper Godel and the End of Physics.

    . But we are not angels, who view the universe from the outside.iNstead, we and our models, are both part of the universe we are describing. Thus a physical theory, is self referencing, like in Goedels theorem.oNe might therefore expect it to be either inconsistent, or imcomplete.tHe theories we have so far, are ~both inconsistent, and imcomplete.

    You worship a false god. Science is an intellectual dead end.

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    Served?

    You recognized that science is flawed and true statements are unprovable but you still have faith? Now your just a religious fanatic. Good luck with that.

    Source(s): Wikipedia Stephen Hawking
  • ?
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    Well you have to think like a Christian. Once you lower your mental capacity to that of a Christian, quoting the bible seems perfectly reasonable as a valid, proof-backed argument.

  • 9 years ago

    So we won't expect any more quotes from science books on R&S. In your dreams.

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