Women of GS: Do you expect a man to always pay on dates? If so, why?

If you mean early on in dating.... I *always* get out my wallet to pay for myself because I think it's very rude to assume it. And then he looks at me like I'm crazy and insists on paying. So I do expect him to pay because that's how it has always been, but don't assume... If he wanted to go to an expensive restaurant out of my budget, I'd tell him beforehand that it was out of my budget.

Gender roles are supposed to be gone now...at least according to the feminists who are trying to dissolve them.

Women are making more money these days than they ever have. More women are graduating from college than men. Today, the woman makes more money than the male in 1 out of 4 households. In 1970, that number was 1 out of 25. So soon women will be even in that category.

If the goal is equality, then the man should now be expected to equally contribute with the raising of the kids and cleaning the house and such. And the woman should be expected to equally contribute to the finances. That's the society we seem to be moving towards. Most couples cannot live on a single income in this day and age.

Here's the deal--lots of young women are still figuring out what it is to be an adult woman in today's world. They know they want to be treated like full adults rather than children or pets and yet there is something simultaneously appealing about being cared for and even doted on a little bit. This seems to create something of a disconnect for some women, and therefore, in their interactions with men. Some people also feel apologetic about their real feelings because they don't jive with their stated worldview. That aside, I can only offer my own person views on the subject as a 40-something woman. I want an equal chance at my job and generally in life. I don't expect to be unable to purchase a home because I am a woman, I expect to be able to get my car fixed without being robbed because I'm not a guy, I expect that my male counterpart and I are paid the same wage for doing the same job. In the ways that I'm approached/dealt with in public life, I expect to be treated as well as any other customer/patient. etc even though I am a woman. In my love life, I expect to be treated differently from everyone else by the man I am with. The significant person in your life should WANT TO treat you better then some nameless stranger he may encounter in the bank lobby or in line at the market. Often times, people who are dating and getting to know one another go to restaurants. If he doesn't feel like I am special enough to treat me while on a date he asked for, then I am no different to him than any other diner in the restaurant, and I AM different-at least to him I should be--you would think. If he can't spring for dinner, he's either cheap or not interested in treating me like I'm very special-either way, why would I want to date either of those men? I wouldn't. That is not to say the man is a gravy train. I think both people should be treating their partner like the are very special and do what they can for each other-both of them. My husband is a happy man, and I am a happy wife because we understand and remember that for each other, we are truly special. If you want to keep love, you can't keep score.

Hey dark eyes guess what, maybe women should do something to show a guy they like them every once in a while.

"Why do men feel they don't have to do anything, or are automatically "entitled" to a woman's love, affections and access to her body???"

And yet you feel women are entitled to the same thing from men.

I'll pay on the first date since I asked, and will pay whenever I do. If I'm expected to pay every time, she's out the door.

It's sad to note that in this day and age when women constitute more than 50% of the workforce, many of them still want men to pay because they feel entitled to a man's money.

Some of them even want men to "earn" her interest by paying for her dinner - LOL, we have names for such women.

"if women offered to pay for half of costs or the entire cost of dinner, would you let her?" - It's not in me to let women pay for me, but I've allowed them to do it.

The majority of women will be disgusted if a guy suggests a 50-50 split. I guess that's all part of the whole females not being able to act like responsible adults thing...

no i don't mind if a woman pays half,in fact that would help me a little

I think it should be that the one that asks for the first date should pay for the first date...male or female. After that they can go back and forth or split everything.

I prefer that they pay, when we first start going out... Once it becomes established that we are in a relationship, we split things...

I'd be open to suggestions on what else a man is supposed to do to earn my love, affection, and access to my body... It's not the paying for dates, it's ANYTHING he does that makes me feel like he's interested in me, that he likes me, and that I'm not just one of the boys...

I'm just not interested in someone that immediately starts out a budding relationship "tit for tat", because women tend to do MORE in relationships... They have the children, and are expected to do nearly all the child rearing, maintain the house, bring in an outside income, do the laundry, the shopping, dentist and doctor's appointments, PTA, homework checker, etc...etc...etc...

I have offered to pay [after being on this forum], I offended the guy... Just the men on this forum aren't like, or develop a different persona from being on this forum, than the men in real life...

So, I'm open for suggestions... Why do men feel they don't have to do anything, or are automatically "entitled" to a woman's love, affections and access to her body???

No, I actually don't mind paying. But most guys get mad if you don't let them pay. They will not let me pay lol.