Why do atheists here lie so much about their own position?

Well I think they are just a bunch of people on here who are only wanting to poke at and make fun of Christians. They enjoy it. I would not try to figure out why they lie or why they say the things that they say because....really who cares? Let God be their judge, they will meet Him one day face to face and they can answer to Him why they did not believe. But if I were you, I would ignore them.

Your first point is false. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive positions. Gnosticism/gnosticism and theism/atheism speak to two different things, knowledge and belief.

Your second point is just silly. Accusing others of childishness for not backing up their arguments sufficiently while doing the same thing yourself is like the pot calling the kettle black.

Third, your argument that those who lack a belief in God therefore have no place discussing religion is rather bigoted. We all have to share this world together and if someones beliefs in any way interfere with my ability to live my life to the full (and I can point to many examples of how religious faith does exactly this around the world) then I damn well DO have a place talking about it.

Your last, albeit unnamed point about atheists being big meanies and mockingly comparing God to santa, or bigfoot, or unicorns, or what have you... all I can say is grow up. Saying God is like the tooth fairy may be offensive to some but it simply illustrates that your deity is one of many beings that we do not believe in. In the same way that you as a Christian dont believe in Zeus, or Thor, or Horus, or the thousands of other gods that people at one time worshiped as real but no longer do.

My atheism is not a conviction. It is a lack of the ability to believe in the reality of any of the thousands of hypothetical gods and goddesses, that believers have imagined and described, throughout history. I have no idea if (or belief about whether) any real deities exist, but the hypothetical deities that people imagine are unbelievably silly ideas, in one way or another.

Since I am not trying to change your mind about how you feel about the hypothetical God, that you are imagining, I don't have to argue any case or defend any position.

Remember that the only thing that atheist really means is 'not theist'.

Theists are those who are certain (have faith in, believe) that at least one hypothetical deity, that they are imagining, is actually real. Everyone else (who is not theist) is atheist. It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference why any particular person is 'not theist'. Atheism is not about reasons, but about being 'not theist'.

You seem to be just whining that atheists are not monolithic, so that you can argue with all of them, at the same time. You might have to argue with each atheist, individually, because each atheist might have different reasons for being atheist.

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John Popelish

Well I personally was never brought up with religion in my life, and any time I went to some sort of religion ceremony, I found myself uninterested and not understanding of why people would be into such a thing. I don't believe that you need to be brought up with religion to be a good person and have decent morals.

Also, once when I was about 10, I went to a christian baptist church with my neighbor and her family (they asked me if I would join them and to be polite, I decided to go). I was being respectful and quiet and enjoying the sermon, but then a couple of the people from the church asked if they could talk to me off to the side. They specifically told me that if I did not come back to that church and follow the bible and the word of god, that I will go to hell for eternity. It scared me and made me cry, and I wanted to go home and never go back there. Threatening somebody into their religion definitely made me feel that it was not for me.

Being a Christian apostate, I can deal with Christianity easily: it is no less supremely bogus than any other organized religion invented by humans.

This is my unwavering position: There is not now, nor has there ever been, one iota of empirical evidence to support the existence of all beings, places, and things supernatural. Yaweh/God/Allah is just about the most absurd deity ever imagined by primitive humans, so much so that the existence of such a supernatural being is quite literally impossible.

I dare you to click on this and get yourself educated about the lie that is ALL organized religion:

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/WhyAtheism.htm

"They choose this argument so that they can claim that they are not making a "positive statement""

But I don't - I think your god-claims are bollocks.

"Comparing theistic beliefs with the existence of fairies, unicorns or Santa. None of those are part of Christian beliefs."

And that concludes our demonstration of "Missing The Point Entirely".

What part of this simple statement don't you get?

"There is no god"

End of story. That's an atheist. It doesn't matter HOW he arrives at this statement, or WHY...it is just his negation of a completely unproven concept. The atheist doesn't have to argue with you because you can't handle a simple statement.

See also:

"There are no unicorns"

"There is no Bigfoot"

"There are no angels"

"There is no Zeus, Thor, Marduk, Baal"

You have a problem bro?

Kindly point out the difference.

I dont believe in god because. . .there is no proof=atheist

Lack of belief in god= atheist.

Your entire arguement is. . .well. . .cute. Like a kid arguing why vegetables shouldn't be eaten.

Atheism? -- Just like islam - Atheism kills ( Surah 9:29 “ Fight against Christians and the Jews”)

Some of the greatest evil seen has been perpetrated by those who have adopted an evolutionary approach to morality - Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot.

Atheistic evolutionist Sir Arthur Keith acknowledged of Hitler:

'The German Fuhrer... has consistently sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution'.

Many millions have suffered terribly and lost their lives because of this atheistic way of thinking. Atheism kills, because without God there are no rules - anything goes!

Atheists are at the forefront of efforts to legitimize abortion euthanasia, drug-taking prostitution pornography and promiscuity. All those things cause misery, suffering and death. Atheism is the philosophy of death.

Now, atheists have no logical alternative but to accept that Jesus is God:

“I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God; or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. “

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Col 2:9 (NIV)

Boy, talk about making the simple complicated. A-theism is simply NOT HAVING beliefs in God(s). How you got to that point is irrelevant.

It's obvious from your diatribe that you don't have a clue what the 'atheist position' is. A bigger crock of sh!t I never read. Christians need to get over themselves and understand that atheism is not defined in relation to Christianity.