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Is this what Kajukenbo is like?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUyD0kFsJD8
Or was that the easy mode?
People should read Kaju's answer. He has the goods.
The wing chun episode from Fight Quest was done in the same fashion. Two opposing schools got together, one trains one fighter, the other trains the other. As a sort of pseudo competition.
But Kajukenbo is actually much safer, because one of the Ip Man associated schools injured the knee of Jimmy. It was swollen up even. That was the guy that wanted everyone to bow and call him Grandmaster. He wasn't even the best fighter out of the two main instructors.
The Kaju strikes can do very strange damage, like the spine shot on Jimmy, and the big guy probably dropped his body weight and then realized he used too much gravity power. Strikes to the head or spine is probably the number one reason why Chinese gong fu didn't use sprawl takedowns. They ddin't have to stay upright, all they had to do was get enough time to do one shot using their balance before it is taken, and that shot will disable the attacker.
The limb destruction techniques were pretty weak sauce. I think they hi
I think they hid most of the nerve killers and what not. They also didn't explain some of the crucial concepts required to use limb destruction. Either that or they left it out of the show.
That one time Jimmy hit his head on the wooden board, that was cause he lost his balance and started swaying. In gong fu, strong low stances usually prevent that. Regardless of what they learned in the 5 days, when it came time to spar, they do the best using techniques they already know from wrestling or such. They have the most practice with that, the most comfort. It is automatic. It's interesting to see how MMA trained individuals comment about non-MMA goal orientated styles and training methods.
From what I've seen, the bull pen showed in the vid was easy mode. They hadn't brung out the hard mode just yet.
I often make observations but it doesn't mean I think they should have done it differently. Just that this is what I saw. This refers back to what Kaju said about Kaju in the video not showing everything. It's not that I want them to show everything. Just that the things that are left out, tend to feel like a gaping hole to me. Not immediately when watching, but after wards and given what I know that I was told of Kaju from actual practitioners, it shows up.
Most people have a low pain threshold, so they probably can't take too much. I prefer to accomplish the same training goal with 0% injuries.
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- kajukatLv 59 years agoFavorite Answer
Yes and no.
From my understanding of the Fight Quest episode, someone in Kajukenbo asked the production team if they could do an episode on Kajukenbo, and the production team actually said yes. The Kajukenbo organization has a lot of in-fighting. Kajukenbo is divided into Branches that claim that they are doing Kajukenbo correctly and the other Branches are not. So the Kajukenbo people wanted representives from as many Branches as possible to participate in the episode to show some sort of unity.
GM Harper represented Kajupit, which is his interpretation of Emperado Method. GGM Gaylord represented Gaylord Method, which is his interpretation of Chuan Fa. I believe that it was agreed upon to turn this episode into a commercial for Kajukenbo, since very few people have heard of this style. Since it was supposed to be a promotion piece for Kajukenbo, obviously a lot of stuff cannot be shown to Doug and Jimmy. If it was shown to Doug and Jimmy, then the whole world will see and for sure, no one would be interested in trying Kajukenbo. The idea was to make Kajukenbo enticing, and I do believe it worked. I recognized some of the techniques being done in the opening sequence, and I was sort of feeling nostalgic and I did go back to train.
The Fight Quest episode did encourage a lot of people to take the class when I was still training at the MMA training center. Unfortunately, the beginners found out the hard way that a lot of the real training was deliberately left out of the Fight Quest episode and they quit after a week or two.
The participants were just having fun at the fact that they were on a TV program. I have full respect for Doug and Jimmy, they actually stayed 5 days training in Kajukenbo. Most people going through what they did would have quit within the first day. And they were taking it easy on Doug and Jimmy, because they were the hosts of the show.
The Fight Quest episode got tons of negative comments from martial artists who do not understand Kajukenbo. They believed that Kajukenbo people are savages. Fortunately the real training was never shown. I hate to imagine what they would think of a typical beginner's class. But it also got some recognition and a bit of respect for Kajukenbo from a small minority of martial artists who do appreciate that type of training.
Karate Dave's instructor is one of the participants on the episode, I think that's really cool.
EDIT: As a general rule, Kajukenbo people are nice to beginners. Acting with big egos towards the beginners is not allowed. They really want them to stay and train. Unfortunately we can't baby the beginners so most drop out within a week or two.
Actually the elbow strike to the spine was very controlled. It was the sheer size of the person that dropped Jimmy. The way Sijo Emperado personally showed me how to do the spine strike, I think may have put out a lot of people's backs during bull pen drills during the 1980's. It was not intentional but I had to take down big guys and I am a small guy. I was also in a lot better shape back then.
They only had a few minutes to demonstrate limb destructions and I think a lecture explanation on limb destructions may have made boring TV footage.
Drills in Kajukenbo can get out of hand, and hitting yourself against walls and equipment may happen from time to time. Again, this is unintentional. No one deliberately sends a training partner to hit a piece of equipment. Your brain is in survival mode during these drills and you are not aware of what you are doing sometimes. This is one of the reasons that there is a high injury rate in Kajukenbo and most people quit after the first injury. It is the exceptions like Karate Dave and myself who go back to train after recovering from each injury.
They cannot show the bull pen drills the way Kajukenbo people really do it. Some viewers would think that it was choreographed and fake like a martial arts movie. The other viewers would be completely scared and believe that they will not get out of that drill in one piece and not even want to try one class, even if it is for free.
The Fight Quest episode did generate interest in Kajukenbo. Schools did get new students because of it. Unfortunately, at my original instructor's school, no one stayed, because they discovered that the training in order to get those skills was not like the training given to Doug and Jimmy at the Fight Quest episode.
Source(s): Inspired to go back to train because of Fight Quest. - Owen DrewLv 69 years ago
Personally I don't think they really did justice to any style.
I liked the concept for the show but I think the challenges at the end seemed a bit soft.