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Ymir
Lv 6
Ymir asked in SportsMartial Arts · 9 years ago

Do you interpret Heian Pinan Kata as...?

the meaning "Peace and Tranquility"? Or do you use the Chinese characters "Safe from Harm"?

Update:

Okinawa is ethnically Chinese, certainly before the Satsuma invasion. Most of the higher ranking nobility in Okinawa studied Chinese literature and classics. Everything in China, of the Han lineage, was considered valuable by the Okinawans, whereas the same was not true in Japan. Thus often times Japanese names were given to things in Shotokan karate, replacing even kara-te's Chinese characters with japanese ones. Often times Chinese and Japanese kanji look the same, but are interpreted differently.

Those that think they understand kata, should not be so certain in their stance. There's a wealth of information most people do not know, including those in the Japanese karate lines.

Update 2:

The idea that something is created in a specific location, means it didn't receive influence and ideas from another location, is erroneous. Most people are stuck on the idea that since karate was spread from Japan, that it had no relationship to Okinawa or China, that it should have no relationship to other places.

But that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Update 3:

One teaches karate's real H2H abilities, for self defense. The other one more emphasizes the meaning of teaching kids ways to play around in a safe environment.

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  • ?
    Lv 5
    9 years ago
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    What does it mean to be safe from harm? Is that not peace? Is that not tranquility?

    What you state has merit, however literally translating foreign languages and then cross referencing them doesn't work.

    Just as jujutsu, jiujitsu, and jujitsu now carry different connotations depending on who translated what and when, and what forces affected the translator's bias.

    The kanji 平安 comes from hei or pin, meaning "tranquility " and an, meaning "peace "; however an can also be pronounced as "Yasui" meaning cheap or inexpensive.

    Now while the latter is less likely the correct meaning, it shows the open definition a kanji can have.

    Also why there is conjecture that few kata names and the accompanying kanji are accurately paired together based on one teacher's subjectivism.

    So, what does Heian mean?

    Itosu created the kata for the public school system. I have no doubt that it was specifically named with the purpose of giving Karate a less barbaric connotation. That or to follow in line with other kata names, such as Ananku, 安南空, meaning "peaceful southern sky ".

    At least that is the kanji denoted for ananku by Shogo Kuniba, so I admit I am not confident in the name -meaning correlation.

    The definitions provide and evoke a feeling that the kata should impart the practitioner, I'd argue that the meaning is less important than the feeling evoked during practice of the kata.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    Various quotes from many Karate masters who stated that the Pinan Heian kata were developed for children. Such as those from students of Chotoku Kyan, Gichin Funakoshi, Nagamine Shoshin and simply the fact that they exist only to instill body movement. Ogoshi is easy for children NOWADAYS. It is erroneous to encourage or assume that it was so safe before padded floors and walls were developed to the economical efficacy that they are today. Even in Kano's first school, he purportedly only had six mats. Add in the laundry list of injuries noted with modern judo keiko at high school levels and I'm left with the assumption children were eased into Judo around the high school ages. While you probably disagree with me, the truth of the matter is that the Pinan Kata are little more than "common language" kata between styles. They lack two handed motions until you reach the Yondan Godan kata which denotes a sense of simplicity. While we can put pieces retroactively into place based on our knowledge AFTER we are taught to disregard some aspects of the enbu in kaisai no genri, this second hand information comes after we have learned more advanced kata which better symbolize this or that movement.

  • Kokoro
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    There not chinese words there okinawan so they mean peaceful mind

    The kata was created by itosu and didn't come from china

    Edit the okinawan language and the chinese language are completely different even the kanji is different, there are some similarities but they are different

    your asking for definition of words not of kata,

    secondly the language and kanji change every so many generations, they change so drastically that they are unreadable with out knowing the year it was written. the pinan serious was created in 1905 with a specific meaning behind it, written in okinawan not in chinese. its not like the kata is hundreds of years old and came from china, it was created just over a hundred years ago, for a specific purpose, by itosu. he wasnt hiding the meaning. he knew it was to be taught in the public schools, to children who were being taught the okinawan language not the chinese language

    Source(s): 30yrs ma
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