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Anonymous asked in Society & CultureReligion & Spirituality · 9 years ago

What's another way to prove to Christians that their god cannot possibly exist?

The other day, I used the one, "Your god cannot possibly exist because you claim your god created the universe and for this to have happened, it must have meant your god existed outside the universe, but nothing cannot exist outside the universe so your god cannot possibly exist." But they weaseled around it with that infuriating tactic they have of only accepting science that they can use to argue for their beliefs. They said, "Ever heard of the multiverse theory? God existed in a different universe and this is how he was able to create our universe from the outside." So what's another argument I can use to prove to these boneheads that their god is impossible?

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  • 9 years ago
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    These are the reasons I like to use. Please try not to be disrespectful to people in the Yahoo Answers community however, it's not particularly fair.

    1. Black holes as we know are super massive (meaning full of mass) and very dense. The Laws set out by Einstein and proven, state that mass bends space and time, this means that time runs slower closer to a massive object, (eg the Earth) because black holes are so massive that even light can't escape from them we have shown that time it's self stops in the centre of a black hole. Lets consider for a moment the big bang if all matter was in one place at the beginning of the universe then there is no time, so no god can kick the universe into being if there is no time.

    2. If god exists outside of time as most theists believe him to then he can not be all powerful since he would not be able to recognise the correlation between him making a decision and lots of other things changing. For example imagine you are god and you have a bowl of fruit in front of you. If you pick an apple from the bowl, half the fruit randomly changes into a different fruit, he would have no concept of a sequence of events. Even if he did then he still wouldn't be all powerful since he can't then be all knowing as well. If he is all knowing then he knows the decisions that he will make later on and is completely powerless to stop it happening.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    To Christians God/ believing in God has nothing to do with whether God exists inside or outside of the universe.

    The bible never argues that God existed inside the universe therefore that's why we must all worship him.

    "Knowing" God can never be explained by science, because it's not a science. I know to you that's exactly the enfuriating point.

    But... that's the point.

    From a Christian's point of view, how can science say what God should or shouldn't be, why he should or shouldn't be? What's science got to do with who God is?

    I know this doesn't make sense to you (you will probably say it's not that it doesn't make sense it's that it's wrong) but essentially from a Christians point of view...it won't because you don't know God so no you'll never understand unless you know God.

    A lot of Christians don't choose to believe in God because they've decided scientific evidence weighs up more in God's favour (although some do, normally those scientifically minded) it's normally because they've "met/experienced" God in some way and they know God so that's what they believe- they believe, trust in their human nature/ instincts.

    ...and obviously you think otherwise...so there'll always be arguments...it's not a new thing

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Since god Did not created the universe nor nothing, then what make you think that it created himself in first place.

    Also multiverse, is about how this universe branch in infinite amounts of universe by Chances and decisions making, -Every chance that did not occur, has happened in a different universe that spring off from the moment of the decision-

  • Sara
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    It would be totally unscientific to claim that a transcendent, non-corporeal Being or Force cannot exist.

    If this Force is the creator of Time and Space, and for It there are no limitations of linear time but only an unending Present, you're pretty much out of luck asking science to help you.

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  • 9 years ago

    Why don't you just leave the Christians alone. Let them believe what they want, and you believe what you want.

    What difference does it make if they want to believe in magic? The truth is all we have is opinions on both sides. There is no proof, just faith that we are correct in our beliefs. I know they ask for it sometimes and you can't help but wish you had a lion pit to throw them into so they can test their theories.

    Source(s): the bible
  • ANAX
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    There is no logical way to prove that something doesn't exist. It's outside of the capabilities of logic. And besides, on your argument, what says that God must exist inside of the universe? That confines him, and he has no boundaries, so it's obviously not true. He has infinite power, and nothing says he has to be confined to our universe.

    And this same principal works with Aliens. I don't believe that they exist, but there is no possible way to disprove their existence. You just can't do that. You can PROVE their existence by finding them, obviously, but not finding them doesn't mean that they don't exist.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    "The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.

    "Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.

    "The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'

    "`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'

    "`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Since I can't stand theist proselytizers, cupcake, I choose not to be a hypocrite myself, and I don't try to disprove anyone's beliefs.

    If they impose those beliefs on others, I object. If they ask me why I don't believe in their god, I tell them. If they claim their god is proven or that their belief is the same as knowledge, I refute them.

    But if they want to believe, let them. It's not up to me to regulate what's in a person's mind.

  • Dload
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    How do we know the bible is a valid teaching resource? Well apart from the New Testament , there's also non-christian resources outside of the bible that also speak and confirm of this Jesus...

    Tacitus

    Pliny the Younger

    Josephus

    The Babylonian Talmud

    Lucian

    They all match the same story... even the ones against the Christians. So we can pretty much say, even if you believe the bible is mearly stories, it's still based on history and good moral teachings - as well as it being around for sometime.

    Your even got people like Richard Dawkins (Evolutionist against God) beliving in Jesus, trying to justify that yes He was a great teacher of morals and highly intelligent, but an Atheist? What? Seriously?

    The bible mentioned the world was sphere, 2000 years before it was discovered.

    Back in history, the world was considered flat, it was crazy and forbidden to say otherwise. Galileo Galilei (Christian) is often remembered for his conflict with the Roman Catholic Church. His controversial work on the solar system was published in 1633. It had no proofs of a sun-centered system (Galileo's telescope discoveries did not indicate a moving earth) and his one "proof" based upon the tides was invalid. It ignored the correct elliptical orbits of planets published twenty five years earlier by Kepler. Since his work finished by putting the Pope's favorite argument in the mouth of the simpleton in the dialogue, the Pope (an old friend of Galileo's) was very offended. After the "trial" and being forbidden to teach the sun-centered system, Galileo did his most useful theoretical work, which was on dynamics. Galileo expressly said that the Bible cannot err, and saw his system as an alternate interpretation of the biblical texts. Wow even people like the Pope are only human and make mistakes not fully understanding the bible at first, but it's still seems to be correct each time.

    The Bible already said the earth is round and is suspended in space: Job 26:10, Prov 8:27, Isaiah 40:22, and Amos 9:6.

    Take the Big Bang Theory, there are several holes while can only be currently explained by believing in Dark Matter. The original big bang model was actually created by a Christian Priest! He based it upon Albert Einsteins theory of relativity. Where Einstein himself said to his students in class why it is more logical to believe in a creator of the universe than it is not to, from what he currently understand. He considered Atheist as blindsided, even though he wasn't fully religious himself, he could not deny it.

    We can't see dark matter, but we can detect it by its effects on normal matter through gravity (rotation, gravitational-lensing) and by the X-rays emitted by hot, dark matter. Basically, dark matter cannot be seen -- scientists can only estimate where it is based on gravitational effects on what they can see. Yet they believe in makes up 96% of the universe? Do you believe in something invisible which can not be seen but only the effect of what it leaves behind? What's the difference in believing in this and not a Creator shaping/designing the world? Dark Matter has been shown to create/shape/mound/hold. Dark Matter has the nickname 'God's Particle'.

    The bible also mentions dragons (known as dinosaurs now) which use to roam the world and started destroying mankind - the descriptions match with the fossils found. After the flood they where no more. This can explain there was a meteor shower, causing damage to the moon and a flood on earth, taking into consideration the world was originally one piece of land called Pangaea, it would be possible to go under water. Note the moon gravity also controls effects of the water on Earth. Some huge craters are also found on Earth. Marine fossils make up 95% of all fossils and are found in high places giving more proof. It's also more logical that fossils can be preserved better under layers of mud/water.

    Sure, Atheists are right saying there where meteors which possibly wiped out dinosaurs. However, did they miss something?

    Just by reading the bible: I worked out a logical possiblity of how the dinosaurs could of got wiped out, with a better reason of why it was done and how it was preserved via those fossils and facts found? It also matchs closely with history... however with a much smaller timeframe. It's just not random assumptions and guessings of billions and billions of years.

    As for what people want to believe it's entirely up to them, but give them the details and options to make up their own minds. You however, can't deny some of the most famous sciencist based their work using the bible as a resource. Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, etc - who without we wouldn't have half the technology we do today.

    So I ask you how can you even deny God from being a possible answer to your questions?

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    And now, my son, I would to God that ye had not been guilty of so great a crime. I would not dwell upon your crimes, to harrow up your soul, if it were not for your good.

    8 But behold, ye cannot hide your crimes from God; and except ye repent they will stand as a testimony against you at the last day.

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