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? asked in Science & MathematicsEngineering · 9 years ago

Re: propane gas tanks ballistics?

I was just wondering...

I was walking across the office courtyard today and watched some men "roll" away some of those tall, slender propane gas tanks. They were rolling them along the concrete tile ground and I was wondering if those gas tanks ever exploded because of treating them this way (as opposed to a safer way, e.g. loading them on a dolly and carrying them that way) is there a chance those men could die?

Or is the rounded shoulder of the top of the gas tanks a design that ensures that any explosion would occur in only one direction?

That got me thinking why do grenades shatter in all directions making a whole zone unsafe, as opposed to just 1 or 2 conical blast areas.

Can anyone help me with this? Is there a designed direction of likely explosion with those tall slender gas tanks that they use to deliver LPG to your house? I remember seeing in movies like James Bond that they jump on one bronco style and knock off the cap causing it to become a projectile. Is that based on anything real at all?

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  • 9 years ago
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    The men are in no danger really, unless something very hard hits the tanks going very fast. these tanks are made of very strong materials, and with all the pressure inside, it's very hard to put a dent in one of them even without considering the strength of the metal itsself. if the valve at the top is knocked off cleanly, the cylinder can become a ballistic missile capable of punching through cinderblock walls, but that break must be clean to ensure that the tank won't spiral off in some random direction. as for grenades, they are designed with specific weak areas in the body so that the metal its comprised of will shatter aand send as much twisted metal in all directions as possible when the explosives detonate.

    Source(s): My own Experiences with Explosions and Rockets.
  • 9 years ago

    Propane tanks generally aren't tall and slender, so maybe what you are seeing is oxygen nitrogen or argon cylinders being rolled across. These cylinders are thin and tall by design. These gases can't be liquefied at ambient temperatures so they compress them to about 3000 psi to be able to hold a decent amount of gases. This way they can fit about 300 cubic feet of gas into about 2 cubic feet. Otherwise the customer would be ordering new cylinders every hour.

    Those cylinders are very heavy and made to withstand high pressures. They also put steel caps over the top valves so if they fall over, they won't break off the valve.

    Even if they rolled one over without a cap, and the valve accidentally broke off, it wouldn't explode since it is just escaping gas. I t might be like a giant bottle rocket for a second while the gas escapes and you wouldn't want to be in its path.

    Even the oxygen wouldn't explode. To explode you need two things 1 a fuel and 2 a oxidizer.

    Oxygen is a oxidizer, but without being mixed with a fuel, it won't explode.

    Same goes with propane. If these cylinders were propane, first off they are liquid under ambient pressure, so the steel holding these tanks doesn't need to be thick because the pressure isn't very high, usually under 100 psi even in 90F heat.

    But even if the propane leaked out it would boil away, and not unless it mixed with air and ignited would it burn, and it would be just a big whoosh , more than a explosion

    Grenades contain the two essential ingredients to a explosion... a oxidizer and a fuel. Plus they are jacketed with a steel container that holds in the gas pressure from the internal explosion ( with a oxidizer the fuel instantly burns inside the grenade) and doesn't explode until the designed jacket fails. This is done on purpose. You will see little cut block lines all over the grenade surface. Since it is mostly spherical, the grenade breaks up at all those cut places ad the force is radiated out equally.

    You can probably go on YouTube or Mythbusters to actually see someone actually cutting off the top of those welding cylinders. The movies are greatly exaggerated. The pressure is great inside those cylinders, but it very rapidly goes down when the top is let off and probably around a second or two , it is empty

  • 9 years ago

    To the point of one of these high pressure tanks has the valve knocked off. Mythbusters did a test on one of these tanks. When they knocked the valve off it rocketed through a cinder block wall.

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