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Moon
Lv 7
Moon asked in Science & MathematicsMathematics · 9 years ago

How to get out of this vicious circle?

I am given a question .......

Find a, b, c ... where

a + b + c = 12

abc = 60

ab + bc + ca = 47

I tried a lot of operations, which mostly ended to a circular reference. There must be some "sharp edge" which I am not getting to. Any clue to get out of these vicious circles?

Rather than mere answers, I wana know that "sharp edge" and guideline to solution.

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  • Anonymous
    9 years ago
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    By Vieta's formula, you can see that these are the coefficients of a polynomial in form of kx^3 + mx^2 + nx + r = 0.

    Then, if we set a, b, and c as the three zeros of this polynomial, then r/k = -abc = -60, n/k = ab + bc + ac = 47, m/k = -(a + b + c) = -12. For the simplicity's sake, we can let k = 1.

    Then, (x-a)(x-b)(x-c) = x^3 - 12x^2 + 47x - 60 = 0. Now, by rational roots theorem, we know there are 24 possible roots.

    We can now use synthetic division to find a solution for this equation. You'll find that 3 is an easy solution.

    Then, you get (x-3)(x^2 - 9x + 20)=0 and from here on, you can solve the quadratics by factoring.

    note: in case you don't know what Vieta's formula is, it states that for a polynomial ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d = a(x-r1)(x-r2)(x-r3), b/a = -(r1 + r2 + r3), c/a = r1*r2 + r1*r3 + r2*r3, and d/a = -r1*r2*r3

  • 9 years ago

    Define each variable in terms of the others.

    a = 12 - b - c

    a = 60/bc

    ab + ca = 47 - bc

    a(b + c) = 47 - bc

    a = (47 - bc)/(b + c)

    b = 12 - a - c

    b = 60/ac

    ab + bc = 47 - ac

    b(a + c) = 47 - ac

    b = 47 - ac/(a + c)

    c = 12 - a - b

    c = 60/ab

    c(b + c) = 47 - ab

    c = (47 - ab)/(a + b)

    (12 - b - c)(bc) = 60

    12bc - b^2c - bc^2 = 60

    Now write b in terms of c.

    b = 47 - ac/(a + c)

    b = (47 - (12 - b - c)) / (12 - b - c + c)

    b = (35 + b + c) / (12 - b)

    b = (35 + b + c) / 12 - b

    12b - b^2 = 35 + b + c

    -b^2 + 11b + 35 = c

    Now you have c solved, so put it into one equation and solve for another variable (in this case b)

    (12 - b - (-b^2 + 11b + 35))(b)(-b^2 + 11b + 35) = 60

    (12 - b + b^2 - 11b - 35)(b)(-b^2 + 11b + 35) = 60

    (b^2 - 12b - 23)(b)(-b^2 + 11b + 35) = 60

    (b^3 - 12b^2 - 23b)(-b^2 + 11b + 35) = 60

    (-b^5 + 11b^4 + 35b^3 + 12b^4 - 121b^3 - 420b^2 + 23b^3 - 251b^2 - 805b) = 60

    (-b^5 + 23b^4 - 86b^3 - 671b^2 - 805b) = 60

    -b^5 + 23b^4 - 86b^3 - 671b^2 - 805b - 60 = 0

    Solve that, and then you'll get b (You can just graph it). Then you substitute it into 2 of the equations, and you'll be able to simplify it so it's just the a & c terms. Then you can solve it like a regular system of 2 equations.

    I hope this information was very helpful.

  • 9 years ago

    A=3 b=4 c=5

    Just find the numbers that each go into for 12,47&60

    I had a few more then just 3 4 & 5 like 1 but, that wouldnt even make since to try.

    I put my numbers into your equations and boom. Idk. I just get number, it hard for me to explain what went on in my head.

    Source(s): Stright a's in math, my whole life. Including my 3 years in college
  • ?
    Lv 5
    9 years ago

    there is an obvious solution of (3,4,5), but i'm thinking there mat be multiple solution sets beyond the 6 permutations ....

    345

    354

    435

    453

    534

    543

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