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Trinity believers, when Jesus was on earth, don't you say he was 100% man and 100% God?

Well, what about the holy spirit when it became visible in the shape of a dove? Can you say that it was 100% bird and 100% God?

Scriptural references would be appreciated.

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  • Elijah
    Lv 7
    9 years ago
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    It is interesting that there was only one instance where the Holy Spirit was manifested in the Bible as a living creature: a "dove". (Mt. 3:16) This is especially significant because the Holy Spirit is never shown in the form of a person and, in fact, it is often described as a *thing* (e.g., being poured out or given out in portions; Numbers 11:17; Acts 2:17, 18, 33).

    Not only is the Holy Spirit never shown in the form of a person, but the Holy Spirit is not recorded to have a personal name.

    Since God Himself is a spirit and is holy and since His faithful angelic sons are spirits and holy, it is evident that if the "holy spirit" really were a person, (especially God Himself) there should reasonably be given some means in the Scriptures to distinguish and identify such spirit person from all of these other "holy spirits".

    The Son has a name (Jesus) and the Father has a name (Jehovah, Ps.83:18; KJV), so if the Trinity doctrine is correct and the Holy Spirit really is God, then why doesn't the Holy Spirit have a personal name?

    This would be an unforgivable slighting of the True God if the Holy Spirit were truly a person who is God (or 1/3 God, or anything else trinitarians want it to be), but it would be exactly what would be expected if the only true God were the Father alone (Jehovah alone), and if the Christ and savior were Jesus alone, and if the Holy Spirit were not a person but God's active force and therefore had no personal name.

    Consider An Encyclopedia of Religion:

    "In the New Testament there is no direct suggestion of the Trinity. The Spirit is conceived as an IMPERSONAL POWER by which God effects his will through Christ." - p. 344, Virgilius Ferm, 1945 ed

    Recommended Related Article:

    What Is the Holy Spirit?

    http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009721

  • 9 years ago

    1+1+1+1+1=1

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    John 1:1 teachs that

    John 1:1

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14

    King James Version (KJV)

    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    Colossians 2:9

    King James Version (KJV)

    9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    It is too easy to find quotes where you can observe that Jesus did many things what a man does and behaved like a man and other many things where he did things that only God can do and he behaved as God

    Now my question is:

    Where does the Bible teach that Jesus is the "a god" , "a man", "the archanguel michael " and "the angel abaddon," an angel of satan ?

    The Holy Spirit is not a man because he is spirit, people can't see him and can't heard him and he NEVER became flesh like Jesus (John 1:1,14)

    that is a dissapointed question.

  • Anonymous
    5 years ago

    "When Jesus was here on earth, who sits there as God? In case your answer is the father, consequently Jesus and the daddy are two separate beings, and as a consequence Jesus is just not god" first of all, you didn't need to assemble this hypothetical trouble. There are to be had Scripture passages that explicitly reveal that Jesus and the father are specified persons -- for example, the baptism money owed in Matt. Three, Mark 1, and Luke three; the account in John 12:27-29; and the Transfiguration accounts in Matt. 17, Mark 9, and Luke 9. This is not a quandary for us, and correctly orthodox believers use these passages, as well as others where Jesus prays to the daddy, to counter the heresy of "modalism" -- the instructing that there is one God who nearly changes from one "mode" to one other -- Father, Son, Spirit. Right Christian doctrine teaches that God does not change modes, but that every one three divine humans are specified, and exist and engage concurrently. To reply your query, apologists and theologians would probably say that you are complicated two one of a kind ontological categories -- "being," which is a topic of "what," and "individual," which is a topic of "who." God is one inseparable being, printed in three designated humans. Now, in the event you happen to find this intellectually unsatisfying or logically frustrating, i am sorry. The Bible teaches that Jesus and God the daddy are exact individuals, and it teaches (and Jesus Himself claimed) that Jesus is God.

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  • 9 years ago

    First off this question borders on the absurd, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you want a real answer.

    JWs believe that Jesus was fully man as well - do you believe that the Holy Spirit was 100% bird when He (Trinitarians recognize that the Holy Spirit is a person not a thing) descended as a dove? No you don't, so why would you think that we would? We believe Jesus to be God as the scripture teaches (I realize this is another discussion unto itself). We believe that Jesus was fully man because the bible clearly teaches that Jesus took on a human nature as we see in the scriptures below (Hebrews 2:14-17 Philippians 2:5-8) - this is in distinction to times when God simply appeared in a human body such as in Genesis 18 - in that case there was no birth and growth as a human, there was not a taking on of the fullness of human nature as we see Jesus did when he came in the incarnation. That is why we believe that Jesus is fully human, not because he simply had a human body. There is no scripture to present the case that the Holy Spirit took on the nature of a dove, but rather just appeared in that form.

    Philippians 2:5-8

    5Keep this mental attitude in ​YOU​ that was also in Christ Jesus,6who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.7No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and came to be in the likeness of men.8More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake

    Hebrews 2:14-17

    14Therefore, since the “young children” are sharers of blood and flesh, he also similarly partook of the same things, that through his death he might bring to nothing the one having the means to cause death, that is, the Devil;15and [that] he might emancipate all those who for fear of death were subject to slavery all through their lives.16For he is really not assisting angels at all, but he is assisting Abraham’s seed.17Consequently he was obliged to become like his “brothers” in all respects, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, in order to offer propitiatory sacrifice for the sins of the people.

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  • Some will say yes, while others say no,

    because they have to back up the fact that there are things Jesus didn't know.

    You cannot get trinitarians to agree 100%

    in this blasphemous, antichrist teaching.

    Just because we can discern God's personality in creation,

    does not mean God Almighty is omnipresent.

    {I hope I'm using the correct word. I mean, that God is not "in" all things.}

    forgive me, mini-strokes.

    i.e. similar: the Kingdom of God is not in my heart.

    It is a real Government, in heaven.

    With Jesus as the King.

    Some will say; Jesus is alive in my heart.

    Meaning, Jesus is accepted in my heart.

  • Pancho
    Lv 7
    9 years ago

    Jesus never ever claimed to be God. Christians want Him to be God -- but He is not Nowhere in the Bible does He say that ... and the "trinity" is a Christian invention ... they think that God is in 3 pieces: God, Holy Ghost, and Jesus. That's an error ... the Holy Ghost is God's activating force ... Jesus is a pure One Who was sent here to earth to help awaken and save people ... but while He was here He kept referring to His Father ... He gave all the credit for His miracles to God ... and He never claimed to be His Father ... He never claimed to be God ...

  • Anonymous
    9 years ago

    Actually, the dove was 100% bird, 100% God, 36% ice cream bar, and 64% skin-softening soap. It was a pretty badass dove.

  • ?
    Lv 6
    9 years ago

    100% man & 100% God is like the other false made up saying of "God the son" none appear in the Bible, BUT THIS DOES!

    Jesus in Praying to HIS FATHER said: "This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. So listen to what the son says when he calls his father THE ONLY TRUE GOD!

    Here are a few more things to think about, , "

    The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him." (John 13:16) Jesus said on numerous occasions that, "the Father… hath sent me." (John 5:37,6:37)

    Jesus prays to God. (John 17:1-3)

    Jesus has faith in God. (Hebrews 2:17,18, Hebrews 3:2)

    Jesus is a servant of God. (Acts 3:13)

    Jesus does not know things God knows. (Mark 13:32, Revelation 1:1)

    Jesus worships God. (John 4:22)

    Jesus has one who is God to him. (Revelation 3:12)

    Jesus is in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28)

    Jesus' head is God. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

    Jesus has reverent submission, fear, of God. (Hebrews 5:7)

    Jesus is given lordship by God. (Acts 2:36)

    Jesus is exalted by God.(Acts 5:31)

    Jesus is made high priest by God. (Hebrews 5:10)

    Jesus is given authority by God. (Philippians 2:9)

    Jesus is given kingship by God. (Luke 1:32,33)

    Jesus is given judgment by God. (Acts 10:42)

    "God raised [Jesus] from the dead". (Acts 2:24, Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 15:15)

    Jesus is at the right hand of God. (Mark 16:19, Luke 22:69, Acts 2:33, Romans 8:34)

    Jesus is the one human mediator between the one God and man. (1 Timothy 2:5)

    No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us. (1 John 4:12)

    God put everything, except Himself, under Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)

    Jesus did not think being "equal with God" was graspable. (Philippians 2:6)

    "Around the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, saying "Eli Eli lama sabachthani?" which is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"" (Matthew 27:46)

    I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one "like a son of man" with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, "Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe." Rev 14: 14-15 Here is Jesus is taking orders from another angel ! Can we beleive that an angel who orders Christ to harvest the earth is giving orders to God Himself! Or that he would have to tell the omnipotent (all-powerful), omniscient (all-knowing) Most High "God the Son" when and how to do anything?

    TRUE Christians do not accept the pagan trinity teaching!

    See "The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"

    http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teac...

  • ?
    Lv 4
    9 years ago

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

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