If a poster advocates a disgusting libel, would that change the way you view their answers/questions?

Another ridiculous Israeli anti-Muslim propaganda. Here is what the police report actually said:

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/d...

Imagine if someone said all organ traffic preparators are Jewish. Esther type would be the first to scream antisemitsm and accuse people of aiming to wipe out all the Jews and push them into the sea. But they don't have any problem saying something disgusting and hateful against others. Just like their previous hatefull lies that Palestinians hate their own children, Hamas mass child wedding, Muslims want to kill all infidels in the world but Israel is somehow preventing that...and many other.

Rape is a universal thing and it has nothing to do with race, religion or appearance. Only pro-Nazi and pro-apartheid people would say otherwise.

Those people lost credibility long ago my friend by spreading false claims over and over again no matter how many times you prove them wrong.

To be fair i cant believe that ALL rapes in these countries have been committed by muslims. Perhaps they are the ones that are reported the most or that the media picks up on because it probably isnt news when a white male rapes in one of these countries.

Having said that, the truth is that for the most part muslim men see western women as the lowest of the low and fair game, so muslim men committing rape is not so surprising. This is a very sad fact... sad for the women and i think very sad for men, that in this day and age their cultural beliefs will not allow them to be on equal par with any woman, western or muslim, and hence will never know true intimacy or partnership with a woman.... let alone the amazing concept of friendship. I am sure there are some exceptions, but i suspect those are ones whose parents are extremely liberal and do not strictly follow islam... allowing their children, male and female to explore cross gender friendships.

Those who argue that all rapes are done by Muslims disgust me. That's a slap in the face of thousands of Norwegian women who were violated by men who happened to not be Muslim. You're telling these victimized women that they weren't violated to further your political agendas. Think about how they feel about that and how the people who helped them through it feel. I hear all about muslim violence amongst women, it makes me angry, and I would imagine if anybody tried to defend them there would be no end to the criticism. I would be right there with them.

Yes, you've sunk to that level.

Your link is not proof of anything and does not say what you are suggesting it says. On the other hand, the poster you are attacking provided links which back up his/her answer.

This link is regarding rapes in Oslo, where all the rape perpetrators had a "non-Western appearance," which is known there to mean Muslim.

http://www.eutimes.net/2011/06/norwegian-tv-statio...

Here is a news report regarding the same issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPNO2BVT1NM&feature...

You mentioned in your answer that they were Norwegian citizens. Even if that were true, that is very misleading. Someone with a non-Western appearance can still have Norwegian citizenship, even if they just arrived in Norway seven years ago. They would still be immigrants.

The fact that you are attempting to invalidate this poster when he/she has provided references is what is actually disgusting if you ask me.

EDIT: I honestly don't think you know how to read, or it's so late that you're getting punchy. Your attack on my links makes no sense whatsoever. This is an Oslo police report that was on the news and analyzed. In 83 out of 86 cases the perpetrator could be identified and had a non-Western appearance. There were only three cases in which he could not be identified, but in every single case where he could, he did not look Western. And as you said, those cases took place over a 5 year period-- in OSLO. And incidentally, Oslo is where the majority of the Muslim population lives in Norway. Despite the fact that they make up a very small percentage of the entire Norwegian population, they are dominating sexual assaults involving rape.

I am relieved that Merc has answered here and has proven that your link does not say what you think it says. You need to re-read it. Seriously. I read it and did not see anything in your favor.

And furthermore, why are you acting as if Shay is backing you up? He provided more links re-stating what the poster in question has written. I think you need to get your eyes checked, or go to bed and get some sleep. Re-read these links again in the morning! (That is if you really are in Canada.)

@Michardav: Arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall. It's pointless. I've said my piece, and I've got nothing to add.

Ok, let´s sum what the Asker wrote up.

Norwegian police report is not correct. The Norwegian policemen of course did not not understand who were those who committed all the rapes in their country - until michardav and his old student arrived and explained it to them.

Esther´s links are misleading.

Merc´s math is wrong and biased.

Shay posted links to obvious hate sites.

All the evil forces united against michardav and his old student but they in spite of the sites that do not work, links that do not open, hurricanes and storms bring to us the Golden Message of Truth.

Thank you michardav, all is clear.

The link doesn't work.

Was your document intended to exonerate Arabs/Muslims?

I'm afraid it fails miserably.

Your document lacks crucial data, but if we interpret it using some educated guesses to fill-in the blanks, it effectively says that on average an immigrant is seemingly 8 times more likely to commit rape.

It also says half of these immigrant rapists come from predominantly Arab/Muslim countries.

Your document doesn't give enough data for us to judge the exact Arab/Muslims proclivity to rape. It could be more than the 1:8 ratio. We don't have the data.

Please correct my math:

(1) According to Wikipedia, 13.2% of the of the total population in Norway are "immigrants or descendants of recent immigrants".

(2) Since this 13.2% includes descendants, lets say only 8% of the population are the ones your report does not include in the "Norway" background category. Your document doesn't give enough data. Don't blame me: blame your own faux scientific documents.

(3) Your document says "Norway 61,2%, America 2,0%, Asia 4,6%, Middle-East 9,2%, Africa 10,5%, Europe,12,5%"

(4) So about 40% rapes are perpetrated by the 8% immigrants.

(5) About half of these 40% rapes come from "Middle-East" or "Africa". "Africa" is mostly Arab/Muslim (as it includes Morocco, Egypt, and Sudan, where most of the population is Muslim). Your document doesn't give enough data.

So we have:

8% commit 40% of rapes. (immigrants or non "norwegian")

92% commit 60% of rapes. (others)

We have:

8 : 40

92 : 60

Let's divide the first line by 8, the second by 92:

1 : 5

1 : 0.65

So an immigrant is about... 7.7 times more likely to commit rape.

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@michardav blurted: "[...] the claim was for ALL RAPES- that is moot and doesn't alter a thing I said [...] but to claim Muslims responsible for ALL of them [...]"

Dear michardav: you're confusing me for somebody else.

I never claimed Muslims commit "ALL RAPES". Never.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Another thing: Everything I said, about immigrants supposedly 8 times more likely to rape (according to YOUR data, not mine), is "moot" just because they don't commit 100% of rapes? A very nice rhetoric technique you have...

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BTW, people: don't take my calculation as scientific. There isn't really enough data. And I *do* hope I have errors in it. We all belong to one race, one humanity, neither is better than the other. Nothing's wrong in immigration. The only reason I responded was to show @michardav it's not enough to paste links to lengthy articles in order to dupe people: people may actually *read* the link.

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@michardav blurted: "[merc] shows that's not true- a disproportionate were done by black people yes"

Where did you learn that from?

I didn't say "black people".

In the calculation I used the word "immigrants": neither "blacks people" nor "Muslims".

Please re-read my post.

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@michardav blurted: "but you HAVEN'T proved that immigrants are more likely to commit rapes- only people of a certain ethnicity are."

So what are the "Middle East" and "Africa" categories? Are they talking about country of origin at the bronze age?!

And don't use the word "proved": don't put words in my mouth: I stated "don't take my calculation as scientific", and I used the word "seemingly". If you want to counter me, the way is to give concrete data.

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@michardav blurted: "while trying to play away from the fact that it is NOT TRUE- which you refuse to outright state (but at the same time never outright claim) the Muslims are responsible for all rapes-"

Look, somebody here is dense, and it's not me.

We all know Muslims are not responsible for "all rapes".

Your plan was to give data to show that Muslim immigrants are not more likely to commit rape. You failed. Seeing this, you've now changed you objective to an easy and obvious one: you want us to acknowledge that Muslims aren't responsible for 100% of the rapes. To acknowledge that Earth revolves around the sun. That would be a victory for you. A miserable victory.

If your intention was to prove that Muslims aren't responsible for "all rapes", then all you had to do was provide a news article about a *single* infidel who had committed a single rape in Norway.

Instead, you provided an article that suggests immigrants are manifolds more likely to commit rape.

Islam is a threat to the health and well being of everyone on the planet.

Turn on the news, havn't you noticed.

Joe average in the west might not always have a great knowledge about everything going on Israel but everyone knows about the insanity of Islam.

Muslims always point out there's 1.5 billion of us well there's 5 billion of the rest of us and we're rapidly running out of patience.

Well - to be honest, many of the pro-Israel Apartheid posters are at my lowest rating level and really I can not think less of them than I do now.

When I say that Zionism is a fraud I am stating what I think is a pure fact. I don't say that Zionism is a fraud to hurt someones feeling, I really mean it. So when I read a post that is untrue I see that as simply consistent with the ideology of Zionism.

I want people to read my comments and then do some research and see based on facts about Zionism that I am telling the truth.

Israel is a threat to the health and well being of everyone on the planet.

I think he based his answer on these ...

Norway

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/it...

And Europe

http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2012/09/poli...