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Solution to Immigration in the US?
During the last go-round on "comprehensive" immigration reform, the two sides nearly agreed to making these poor people pay $5000 as a fine for breaking the law in order to stay and become legal. I thought that was pretty heartless, as these people are barely making it now. I would propose an alternate penalty for those who want to turn themselves in and become legal. The penalty would be very much like immigration used to be before 1970. You had to agree not to use any poverty program of any kind for 10 years and you would just have a green card for ten years. At the end of 10 years you could apply for citizenship. How is that for an alternate penalty? Let me know.
Spock: I agree. We could require they be fully employed and pay taxes for those 10 years. We could also lower the minimum wage for Green cards and a have a flat rate income tax of 20%. The Earned Income Tax Credit would only be for citizens.
Ranger: This would be part of a penalty for breaking the law. Much like we put people in prison. It would only apply if they come forward and turn themselves in for breaking the law.
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- George LLv 79 years agoFavorite Answer
Actually, under 240I it was $1,000. heartless? that seems a bit extreme. much more liberal and openhearted than the current system. so, if that was heartless, what would you call our current regulations?
- ?Lv 59 years ago
There's already a system in place. Some people don't want to follow what's in place, maybe because they can't qualify for a spot so they sneak in. Honor the system and do the right thing.
- 9 years ago
My wife is Thai and has worked hard to get her American citizenship and has been a tax paying, voting citizen and takes her citizenship seriously because she has had to earn it.
We have been trying to get one of her brothers over her who wants to immigrate to the United States. You wouldn’t believe the bs we had to go through trying to get him over here.
For Thailand, its based on a lottery system – the luck of the draw. If he ever gets selected he will have to have a sponsor or be able to prove that he will not be a burden on society and be a productive tax paying self sufficient resident. He won’t be eligible for welfare, food stamps , medicad or any of the quirkes that the illegal aliens get.
If an ‘ILLEGAL ALIEN’ was an adult when they entered this country illegally then send them back without any chance of coming again. As far as the children of illegals who had no choice in being here, something should be worked out.
I don’t think anyone who came here should go to the ‘end of the line’ – I don’t think they should even be in the line especially when people like my brother-in-law who follows the rules can’t even get over here to get in the damn line.
When Emperor Obammy signed his executive order on immigration I threw my cup of coffee at the TV and busted the screen. I called my brother-in-law and told him to just go to Mexico and swim across the river.
- ?Lv 69 years ago
That would be so lenient that it would encourage MUCH more illegal immigration in the future.
Give illegals temporary legal status in exchange for having no permanent rights and NO path to citizenship, MAYBE. But probably not even that.
Open borders would make it impossible for us to maintain a social safety net for ourselves, because caring for all the world's poorest most-desperate people would bankrupt us. That sucks, because those social programs were invented for good reasons, and at least some of them are worth maintaining.
If illegals are legalized again, like the federal government did in the 1980s, then that will signal to people worldwide that they can come illegally and expect eventual amnesty.
Seeing that, how many people worldwide would then risk coming to the USA because they are poor and desperate? I would guess hundreds of millions. Especially once they start hearing about some of their countrymen getting work and settling successfully (even if illegally). Especially if they can get charitable assistance when first arriving in America.
Bear with me while I do a roundabout explanation of why that matters.
Japan, and many majority-white countries like America, are desirable as places to live and work. And those countries are desirable mainly because of the nature of the people. To argue that, I ask you to think about two examples of desirable countries: Japan and Germany. Both were heavily bombed and occupied, and Japan was nuked, relatively recently (World War II). Did that stop them? Not really; they recovered strongly because of their populations' efforts.
Meanwhile, other countries have rich natural wealth (oil, minerals, etc) that the Germans and Japanese can only dream of having. And many of those peoples haven't been abused by anything like a World War II scale of warfare. Yet those other countries' people are poor. Why? Because the nature of the inhabitants is what matters most.
But if economically successful countries import enough immigrants from unsuccessful countries, then the nature of the population is changed. Various mental traits (drive, intelligence, impulse control, etc) seem to be partly the result of genetics. It's not safe to assume that any immigrant or his offspring simply can be cultured into behaving like the existing population.
If enough millions of Third World people immigrate, that could turn the USA into something like a Third World country. But the Third World is the place those people were so desperate to escape; why would anyone want it recreated in America?
And ethnicity can matter in a second way. Some people in any ethnic group will naturally want to preserve the nature of that group and stop interbreeding with outsiders. Yet legally enforced ethnic segregation doesn't exist much in the First World. And informal, self-imposed segregation seems to be declining somewhat. So we should assume that the immigrants (or their future generations) will mate with members of the existing population. The original ethnic group might be largely mixed out of existence over enough generations. Some of them won't care, but others of them are sure to hate that idea; it's human nature, perhaps, and you can't easily argue that away.
In summary, importing Third Worlders in large enough numbers will make the destination country more like the source Third World countries, and overwhelm the various First Worlders' social systems, against the will of many people already in the country. Anyone who favors immigration from the Third World should address these issues convincingly; otherwise, conservative and/or sensible people will continue to resist so-called "immigration reform".
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- 9 years ago
Good suggestion!. Those who moved from other asian countries have to wait for 10 years to become citizens. We all should consider every thing in humanity basis without affecting hard working people.
- RangerLv 79 years ago
It is a good idea, but like 1970, it still violates the 14 th Amendment of the Constitution that says anyone in the USA is entitled to equal protection of the laws. The amendment does not differentiate between being in the USA legally or illegally.
That is why the navy and immigration attempt to stop boat people and others before they "enter" the USA. Once they are on US soil, they are entitled to protections of the constitution and equal treatment that a citizen would receive. If they are stopped before they set boots on dry land, they are not "in" the USA and not entitled to equal treatment. They can be sent back to where they came from with no right to an attorney or procedures.
Source(s): rc - Spock (rhp)Lv 79 years ago
it's not strict enough.
such immigrants shouldn't be eligible for any government programs [except ER] until they earn a green card or become a citizen.
i suggest the immigrant work and provably so via income tax and Social Security records. seems to me that the equivalent of 40,000 hours is about right. During this time period, immigrant also has to keep clean -- no felony convictions, no drug crimes, etc. [deport those who don't with proviso to be jailed if they sneak back in]
to the shocked screams of the liberals, we'd also have to eliminate the minimum wage laws -- its easy enough for a man with a sixth grade education to sneak in from Mexico, but his skills aren't worth 7.25 an hour in America.
Source(s): grampa - ?Lv 59 years ago
Solution is to not make it so difficult to become citizens! Not all raza are bad people. You little levas just watch the news and see all the gz do their thang. Every race has its bad bunch