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Has Back EMF Coil collapse spikes been used in a BEAM solaroller?

A Beam Solaroller is basically a sollerpowered dragracer, trying to get 1 full meter in the shortest amount of time off of a 500W bulb over the track.

The Square inches of the solar panel is restricted to 800 cubic MM, so there is no way to directly power a motor from the solar cell.

So, a solar engine is used, The cell trickle charges up a big capacitor (typically .33F), and a voltage trigger enables an NPN transistor that then drains the capacitor to the motor.

The race is getting the supercap up to charge the quickest, and design the wheels and weight of the frame to make it go the farthest the fastest. (world record was I believe 1 minute, 3 seconds)

There, now that we're all caught up, I was doing some reading on Back EMF coil collapse, with regards to capturing the back spike (often 100's of volts!) to get the super cap charged up even faster, using the smallest and lightest iron core relay I could find, and some NC relay contacts to divert the spike to the Cap, in rapidly cycling pulses of power.

Has this been tried before? Does anyone think it could work? (does anyone out there know what I'm talking about?)

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  • 8 years ago
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    Actually, I know nothing about BEAM solarollers. Is the lighting at a point where it is impossible to have continuous operation of the motor? Does it have to move in fits and starts? Because if you can keep the motor running, that would be best. And if you do, there won't be any back EMF. Back EMF requires that the motor acts as a generator. Which means you aren't driving the motor but instead allowing excess field energy you've already supplied to return (which is never an efficient process.) You'd be better off supplying energy in a fashion that is 'just right' so that you aren't faced with losses involved in recovering excesses. All of the energy should, at best, be converted to frictional losses in the end, not back EMF you have to recover.

    You'd have to stop driving the motor for a period of time to get a back EMF. But there is capacitance in the motor and that will waste part of the energy as it reverses polarity (you don't get to recover that part) and some of the rest will be lost in resistance as well as your recovery circuit as the motor finally returns some of that energy as it comes to a stop and acts as a generator (more wastage in the stopping process and having to overcome stiction again.)

    It just doesn't make good sense to me. Not for something depending entirely on a tiny solar cell in a competition.

    And keep in mind, in your amazement at the "100's of volts" possibility you also need to be aware that 100's of volts is not power*time or energy. It's volts, which is only part of the equation. You need to know current, as well. And for how long. "100's of volts" occurs when it's driving a very high resistance load -- inductors will generate whatever voltage is required to allow the current to continue on a declining slope, starting from the current you left off at when you stopped driving the motor. Anyway, this isn't the way to do things.

    Cars, on the other hand, do have to obey traffic lights and traffic, so people use braking a lot. In those cases, where sudden or frequent intentional stopping is the order of the day, then it makes some sense to try and recover some of that since stopping is a requirement of the application (driving.) But on this kind of thing?? Why would you stop???

    This argument assumes that you can drive the motor continuously, efficiently. If overdriving, then stopping again, is the only way to achieve efficiency.. then the argument becomes far more nuanced and... well, then I don't know.

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    7 years ago

    Yes .such a method has been used .The BEMF of the collapsing field is used to recharge a battery or a capacitor.There are many circuits online for this mostly by fringe scientists and alternative energy buffs.

    I'm not sure on this but I think all you have to do is put a secondary coil next to the coil from which you want to extract BEMF.This secondary is dioded so that when current is supplied to the primary,no current is induced into the secondary.However,when the BEMF occurs the secondary will capture that voltage.

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