Well we have heard of Male privilege, what about female privilege?

"What do you think of them apples?"

--Seems very accurate, with a few exceptions.

#1 on your list is fairly accurate in most areas of the US, with the exception of a couple of states that I've lived in. In Florida, when police are called to a domestic violence dispute, BOTH the male and female are arrested and a judge is left to sort out the mess. So the female does receive some stigma for it.

#2 is only accurate during times without recession.

#6 isn't as accurate as it used to be, especially if the female lives in a really poor state. A week doesn't go by that I don't see women getting arrested in Florida for abandoning their babies and/or abusing them(on the news). However, this could be a result of public pressure since the Casey Anthony travesty.

#8 is subjective. Because of late 2nd wave feminism and 3rd wave feminism, this isn't nearly as true as it used to be. Many women are finding that they are having the same issues men have with this now. However, it's usually only less aesthetically pleasing women that get this pressure.

#11 is very subjective. I know many straight men that don't pay for dates.

Well - in Fem War II (a developing Grappler book/series) Mabel B and Mabe are our prime machine gun team, and you and Neo are the backup team... I offer women privilege and more than equal billing right there - even in the midst of The War to End All Feminisms.... a war which, according to Fem War II, will be won by the exercise of both men's and women's personal power to choose to fight against that which is attacking them and their country.

He's right, you know. All this guff about 'male privilege' falls on the one single point raised by Tea - I think it was - the 'norm' in society being 'the white middle class man' - a relatively small minority indeed.

Thus the extrapolation of this alleged and totally unproven privilege to ALL men everywhere is a nonsense even within feminist folklore. Not only that, but it clearly shows what many have been saying all along - 'feminism' is a middle class grab for power and privilege by an already privileged group of women - not anything at all to do with the escalating plight of the REAL women out there.

We are taught not to hit, period... We are also taught that anger is not an emotion that a young lady should show... She's allowed to show happiness, sadness as "acceptable" emotions of a young lady...

We may have brains, but men often time overlook the fact that we have brains, for the mere fact that brains and boobs don't go together...

I can produce offspring, but I don't get that way by myself... Men's employment, or possibilities of employment are not hindered whether or not he is/is not a father...

Your employment is never brought into question, based on AA, EEO, or the office couch. If a woman receives a promotion, or a raise, how she got it is often time questioned, and less than moral accusations surround most anything women excel at.

It seems like you want all the "privileges" of being a man, then you want to have what few privileges women do have...

Most women are not violent, therefore, we do not commit the same type of crime that men are sentenced for. You are judged by a jury of your peers, and sentenced by statute, or a judge, none of which has anything to do with "feminism", or women for that matter.

MRAs are liars and bullies... You all want women to do everything you can do, except better... You want women to be like men, except when it's convenient to men for women to be like women...

Wow it sounds pretty good doesn't it lol.

Don't agree with 1. No one should hit anyone else.

Don't agree with 13, it should be the same penalty with all sexist behaviour.

Don't agree with 15 either obviously.

Instead of just pointing parts I don't like out, I will just say it should be equal except parts that there is a catch/ problem to.

Like reproductive rights...

The rest no one can really do anything about.

There are a few here I agree with. Number 1 is a big issue. It bothers me that female on male violence is generally accepted. Violence itself should not be tolerated.

However there are quite a few here, that while they could be defined as privilege, are still the fruit of traditional patriarchy and hurt both men and women. Specifically numbers 2, 3, 8, 9,10, 14 and 15. All of these are based on the traditional roles of breadwinner males and hearth mother goddess females. These gender roles are hurtful to both genders as it restricts women from the personal independence and accountability of self-sustenance and paints men as being incapable of being nurturers. These also emphasize the value of a woman being determined by their desirability as sex partners, and not much else. Responsibility for things like number 2 lie both with gold diggers and the men who want to marry "trophy wives". The idea that a wife should be a pretty arm decoration to demonstrate the man's success is again the result of traditional patriarchy. Name changing currently seems to be in the realm of personal decision, which is where is belongs, and I don't see it as much of on issue. However I encourage most other females to keep their names, because if a women is working in a professional field, name changing can be both a hassle and hurt her career by distancing her from her professional reputation.

I'm not sure about 4. Is it common for single women to seek fertility treatments and then go on welfare? I don't know the laws or statistics on this. Generally in my experience anyone seeking fertility treatment, whether single or not, needs to be financially affluent and affluence extends fertility privileges for both men and women.

I don't completely understand 5. How is being female the desired identity? Is there a disproportionate number of males who want to be women? As for reproductive choices all I can say is that pregnancy and birth are both huge burdens when they are unwanted and no one but the person doing it should have any say in the matter. Anyone, male or female, who wants to be a parent, needs to do so with a willing partner. It's not okay for men to force birth, it's not okay when women sabotage the birth control intentionally. NO ONE should be able to force another person into parenthood and if sabotage can be proven, no man should be forced to pay support on a child fathered against his will. Unplanned pregnancies can be bad for everyone. Stock your own condoms and be educated.

On 6 I'm going to disagree outright. Women who choose to give up children for adoption or to abort face major social stigma and family rejection, despite the legality of those options. Adoption is especially grueling on birth mothers, both socially and personally.

7. Fair enough. I agree with women being restricted in combat. At that point, keeping soldiers alive is more important than other social values and women cannot normally match the physical demands of combat. Of course I'm also against drafting, so I also do not agree with Selective Service registration. Solely my opinion on that.

11 seems pretty minor. Plenty of progressive women are comfortable asking a man out on a date and paying for it, or going dutch treat. People should date other people that they are compatible with. If a man resents paying for dates, he should date more progressive females, or reconsider why he wants to date in the first place.

12 is another one I'm not too certain about. This is only an option for women who are otherwise wealthy. This seems more about the privilege of affluence, not femininity alone.

13 is another one I agree with. I personally am disgusted with sexist vitriol from other women. Like violence, overt sexism from either gender should not be acceptable.

May I offer a final recommendation? Please toss out the youtube clips of 1970s bra burnings and pick up some recent works on CURRENT feminist thought. I strongly recommend bell hooks' Feminism Is for Everybody: Passionate Politics.

@la Chaqita:

Allow me to reveal the true reality of your biased, sexist, and false preceptions:

"As a professional working female, I have to put up with dumbass males making silly commentsor exchanging glances or making inappropriate comments."

In reality, professional men have to put up with dumbass females and males who behave the same way.

"I also have to put up random harrassment that can stem from comments to physical assault - e.g physical grabbing/touching of body parts without my permission."

Women who usually have to deal with this tend perpetuate this by being inapproriately flirtatious and dressing inappropriately in the office. Also, men have to deal with this harassment as well from aggresive women and sexually aggressive gay/bi men.

"As a female, no matter how hard I work, I will likely never be on the same pay as my male counterpart."

No evidence of this, at all. get with the year 2012.

"No matter how successful or intelligent I am, society will always place my fundamental worth on my ability to avoid nature/gravity, and the size of my t*ts."

Thats only for women who flaunt their cleavage at the world like most women who enjoy and perpetuate the attention. This doesn;t happen to women who act professional.

"As a female, I am expected to work full time, and also look after the children, clean the house, cook the meals, etc"

False. It is YOU who expects YOURSELF to do this. No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to do any if this. Take responsibility for your actions the way you expect men to.

"As a female, I am at the mercy of female biology and hormones, which is annoying."

And as a human, we are all at the mercy of our biology and hormones, which is annoying, but mature adults learn hwo to deal with it.

"I have to carry the child and give birth, etc etc"

Because YOU choose to. Again, your responsibility.

"As a female, when I reach the age of 30, society will tell me that I am old and over the hill,"

Society also once claimed that the world was flat, that doesn't mean you're suppose to believe it.

"Men however, can be lined and wrinkled and paunched but the media will still admire them."

The media admires Rosy O'Donnell. That doesn't mean I have to. Stop following what the media wants you to follow.

I could go on and on, the point is, you and other people like you are living in a dreamworld and need a wake up call.

@Tea : what rights dont women have ? He;s just pointing out women have more rights than men today. more benefits. If feminism wants to rant on all the time about male privilege and the patriarchy - well then people are free to disagree that those things exist. I dont believe men are more privileged than women today - I think the opposite is true.

it is a sad state of affairs that it has to be pointed out so specifically. It should be obvious.

*Tea : I guess im a sucker for arguing with brick walls.

As a female....:

No matter how successful or intelligent I am, society will always place my fundamental worth on my ability to avoid nature/gravity, and the size of my t*ts.

As a professional working female, I have to put up with dumbass males making silly comments or exchanging glances or making inappropriate comments. I also have to put up random harrassment that can stem from comments to physical assault - e.g physical grabbing/touching of body parts without my permission.

As a female, no matter how hard I work, I will likely never be on the same pay as my male counterpart.

As a female, I am expected to work full time, and also look after the children, clean the house, cook the meals, etc.

As a female, I am at the mercy of female biology and hormones, which is annoying. I have to carry the child and give birth to a child I choose to have; an act which will be astonishingly painful and devastasting physically. The father only has to sit and wait.

As a female, when I reach the age of 30, society will tell me that I am old and over the hill, and no longer have an intrinsic value. Men however, can be lined and wrinkled and paunched but the media will still admire them.

As a female, if I choose to drink or smoke, it will be seen as ungraceful and unladylike. If a male chooses to drink and smoke, he will be seen as a male that chooses to drink or smoke.

As a female, if I choose to have several sexual partners, I will be seen as a wh*re. If a male chooses to have several sexual partners, he will be seen as a stud.

Just a few counter arguments there. But overall I totally agree with you. Being female is definately the better deal. It's hard to be a guy. One time, I tripped and fell onto this guy that was with a group of friends, and he turned around angrily with his fist ready to punch. When he turned round and saw me he quickly put his fist down and helped me and asked if I was ok etc, even apologised ....if I had been a guy he would have just hit me, even though it would still have been an accident.

Getting unwanted attention is annoying but there's the other side too - not having to pay for drinks, getting free stuff, having people help you and do stuff for you if you're stuck. The law is biased in favour of women, especially concerning custody rights, etc. And women do receive less social stigma for choosing to not work, to raise a family, be housewives, etc.

Overall being female is, I feel the better deal.

Yes, but all that only just offsets the male privilege of a female taking his name after marriage if she wants to.

1.

Erm. No. I think you will find that women who engage in violent behaviour are judged more harshly than men who do the same. Think about it. you see a clip of a girl brawling on youtube and you think all kinds of negative thoughts about her. You see one of a couple of guys and connotations are vastly different.

2.

True, because men like to marry eye candy. However, once we lose our looks or pop out a few babies and put on a bit of weight, we are dropped like a hot potato in favour of a newer, more attractive model.

3.

Yes. We get pregnant and give birth, and put up with all the pain and trauma and physical effects.

4.

That is because society persists in valuing women for their looks and ability to bear children above anything else.

5.

Yes, because I am the one who gets pregnant, carries to term and gives birth. Basic biology. Would you want to give birth and ruin your body forever?

6.

Differs from country to country, but 'no stigma?' Are you kidding? A woman who is not a good mother is positively reviled.

7.

Currently women in the armed services are fighting for their rights to serve on the frontline.

8.

Not sure what you mean here?

9.

I hardly see being forced to relinquish my identity upon marriage as a privilige. If I marry a man with higher social status than me, the pressure to relinquish my identity in favour of his is even higher. Sux.

10.

Blame good old Patriarchy for this. Gender roles and stereotyping etc etc. Feminism is trying to counter such stereotyping, but you refuse to see that.

11.

Again, personal choice. As someone who earns a good salary, I always pay my half.

12.

No, because I am busy looking for a job that allows me the flexibility to care for the children my husband and I created together. His career carries on unimpeded while mine takes a nose-dive, just because we decided to raise a family and I am expected to be the primary care-giver. not much of a flipping privilidge in my book.

13.

Really? Are you having a laugh? No, I can say whatever I like about men on GS and no one calls me out on it. Ha ha ha ha.

14.

Well. You stay home and do the housework then, and let your wife go out and build her own career. Then we will see who is whining at the divorce courts. Seriously, women SHOULD be compensated for all they have to give up in order to have children. I would MUCH rather go out to work than stay home and do housework. But I can't. That is NOT a privilege but modern slavery to me.

15.

Again, this will differ from country to country and the types of crimes involved, and also the motivation behind the crime and the individual circumstances.

What do you think of them apples?

I am not sure what your point was, but none of these amount to privileges in my book.

Your point is not well made.