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Christians where did god exist when nothing existed?
Neither heaven or hell had been created nor time or space so where did your god exist. The void? A blackhole like the singularity that caused the big bang? God came from Nothing? Give me your most logical answers to see if they have any flaws. No bible quotes that have nothing to do with the question.
Christians why do only accept science when it suits your beliefs? The theory of multiverses or string theory and 4-D to exist outside of time and space are unreliable as of yet by science. Only when these things support your beliefs then and only then do u support them. Also for something to exist it must exist somehwere. None of u have given an answer of where god existed to u. If you do not know then say I do not know.
@Kat You are wrong. Not all christians accept the big bang theory but many do. The 1st law of thermodynamics can never be broken except under certain conditions by Heisenburg's uncertainty principle thru quantum fluctations. The big bang theory is that a singularity existing in the core of a black hole where finite mass can exist in infinite density exploded and from that came forth the world as we see it today. Christians that believe god created everything truly think there was nothing as their book describes "in the beginning there was nothing....." Since it is taken literal by some christians they truly believe everything poofed into being or everything came into being thru the big bang. I am discrediting their notion of their beliefs when applicating science to it. They believe in multiverses and 4-D only because it suits their beliefs. For something to exist it must exist somewhere. So where did god exist when nothing existed to them?
For something to be real, it must exist, for something to exist there must be evidence to validate that existence. No nothing that is real needs to be physical to exist. The physical things in our world are just easier to validate their existence. One cannot see air but it exists. One cannot see, hear or feel radio waves but they exist. Thoughts and ideas exist because they exist in the mind. They are real to the one that creates them. For god though there is no evidence and the bible the most widely used book to validate the existence of god is let us say full of errors on how the world works. With this we cannot know for sure if any god exists but there is no point in believing in something that you are not sure of. God can be made of particles, waves, light, dark matter, thoughts, imagination....in the end it does not matter what god is made of but for people to know if they are actually talking to something or just talking to themselves.
@Kat no apology necessary. But thnx
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- 8 years agoFavorite Answer
I don't mean to offend you, but you are setting this question up all wrong. Christians don't believe in the Big Bang Theory, first of all. Second of all, there was never "nothing". One of the fundamental laws of Physics is that matter cannot be created nor destroyed. The Big Bang Theory suggests that the Universe started with condensed atoms and then suddenly expanded, not that everything just "poofed" into existence-which is ironic of you to imply, considering your discrediting of God based on modern-day science.
Edit: I really respect that you replied with an educated answer, I truly underestimated you, and I apologize for that. Nevertheless, I would like to add that the the Bing Bang Theory is just that: a theory (even though I wholeheartedly agree with it). Moving on, my reply was to your specific question, obviously, but I would like to expand our arguement by bringing up the question: "What makes something real or existant?" Now I would like to shift from science to philosophy. You are basing that which is existant or real on what can be measured or what is tangible. If that were the case - that something has to have physical properties to be real - then intangible things such as thoughts and ideas wouldn't be real, which is definately not the case. Maybe God isn't made of atoms. Just my 2 cents.
Edit 2: I really do see where you are coming from. My honest thoughts on this are that I don't really believe in God, per se, but I believe that there is something supernatural or paranormal going on, not just randomness. My personal theory is that it all has to do with other dimensions, and since another dimension (if there were one, or multiple for that matter) would not necessarily have the same laws of physics. Maybe that would support a theist's belief in heaven and hell, that they aren't in this dimension. Going back to my earlier arguement, I feel like the idea of God is a bit like currency. If you think about it, money could be considered unreal. Sure, it represents bars of gold in a vault somewhere, but it's really just paper. It serves as a sort of regulation, something to organize the world. It's an idea represented with something tangible like paper. I really do think you are making an excellent point (and that a few of the answers on here are a bit too dismissive), but historically speaking, it seems that people instinctively look to a God - which is why people usually find atheist's views counterintuitive, I think.
- 8 years ago
Time and space began at the spacetime point of the big bang. There is no "before" this point in terms of space time.
So if God is to be everlasting, as is taught by Christianity, then He must a being who isn't dependent on spacetime for His existence. It's also clear from the Bible that God isn't constrained by spacetime. At one point Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM." This if both a statement of his deity (I AM is the Jewish name of God in the language he was speaking at the time), and a statement of his temporal existence at a time that wasn't the present.
As to the question of where he was, we kind of assume heaven is some state of existence that is separate from the spacetime continuity that we are bound by. No one is going to be able to give you a satisfying answer about "where" this is, but we really shouldn't have to, as we're not told and it's not really important.
Another important theological point about this is that God is usually considered self existent. That means that He depends on no one but Himself for existence, so he doesn't strictly speaking even need a location at all. Kind like how the number 3 doesn't need a place to exist, but the concept exists even without a location.
To the question of whether God came from nothing, I'd say that He always has existed, as implied by the fact that He's self existent. Since He depends on nothing to exist, not space or time, there is no state of affairs possible in which He does not exist.
- 8 years ago
You can't prove nothing existed and God can't be proven,such a predicament History is our only guide. Genetics will supply many enlightening things about ourselves. In the end,if you extrapolate intelligent sentient beings backward you ultimately find the first. Who might that be?
- Mark TLv 68 years ago
God was just there he is flawless. Logic has no reason in this case, it is way above the human mind to understand God. God created everything, he is the creator of everything no void here.
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- Randall MeyerLv 48 years ago
Because humans have a beginning and an end we think God must have the same characteristics, he doesn't.
- Anonymous8 years ago
Your mistake in reasoning is you consider God to be a corporeal being that is extended in space.
- Anonymous8 years ago
heaven is eternal