Liberals, is it acceptable that Islamic countries kill people for being gay? B/c I don't see you?

I'm not a liberal, but these are excellent questions.

I'd add that liberal feminists are totally quiet about Islamists' beating, raping, torturing, and beheading women.....but if some silly yokel from the boondocks of rural America utters a single word that is remotely insensitive, then suddenly there's a war against women in the best society for women in human history.

It's their country, their supreme leaders make the laws. Is it fair? No, it's hypocrisy. They make their women inaccessible, so that the men turn to each other for sex, then they condemn that, too, or at least the leaders, who can have all the women and all the sex they want, do. They even mutilate their women so that they can't enjoy sex as much and therefore aren't motivated to help their husbands enjoy sex with them. What a miserable, self-defeating life.

well watever we do shouldn't matter. so stop poking your nose in someone's business.

as for killing. these things are done by taliban who again were trained by our beloved USA so....

get your facts straight. i know this guy working the the shop and thankfully he's not dead. so don't assume that every single muslim is the same. i could go on and on about how annoying atheists can be with their "logics" but not every atheist in this whole world does it so i have no right to judge you or your stupid logics....

your the one who's ruining the name of your "religion"

and i'm sure you god albert einstein respected people and religion

Tell me genius, without going to war with yet another country and damaging our economy further, crippling our relations with the Middle East not to mention fulfilling the stereotype that America will find any excuse to tell people how to run their countries... do we do that? Why doesn't your country, whatever it is, get up off it's lazy *** and do something about it? We're not the only country in the world not prosecuting gays you know. Silly little girl.

Actually, we've been very much up in arms over the proposal to make homosexuality punishable by death in Uganda.

Oh, wait, you said Islamic...the Ugandan proposal is by Fundamentalist Christians..

Guess Fundamentalist Christians will do more than just oppose gay marriage in countries where they can get away with more.

EDIT: Two words: Amnesty. International.

EDIT: Also, you don't get to pretend like you care about gay people only when it serves to help you bash Muslims and/or liberals. Either actually care about gay people and help them to achieve equality, or quietly take your rightful place alongside every other anti-gay force, including those fundamentalist Muslims.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/lgbt-rig...

Did it occur to you that you have never heard an atheist complain about Muslims because you don't actually investigate the complaints of atheists very well?

If you look a little harder, it is easy to find many atheists complaining loudly about muslims.

Yes, thumbs up for actually following the teachings of their holy book. Now if only christians started doing this...

"I know, I know, I know: you only care about things if they're happening in your country. B/c, after all, America is the only place that's important, right?"

No, it's because first you work to improve things where you are, THEN you worry about places you aren't.

Edit: Actually yes it IS hypocritical to work feverishly (and often futilely) to help starving children in foreign countries while ignoring the starving children in your own neighbourhood.

Discrimination, persecution, violence against LGBT people is unacceptable and despicable. A person's gender (transssexual, two-spirit, cisgender, male, female, two-spirit etc.) and sexual orientation (straight, pansexual, bisexual, gay, lesbian, asexual) is a part of being human. LGBT people are human beings like everyone else- they deserve to be treated with respect and dignity.

Actually it's a fierce double edged sword isn't it? You see it's a lose/lose situation for ANYONE in the west to demand interference in the developing world without considering strategy. One the one hand I can say there are horrible things happening in other countries and we need to not ignore those things, but what exactly do we do? Military action? Take over those countries and tell them they have to do things our way? Yeah, that worked out so well historically <sarcasm>. If the west interferes we also run the risk of White Messiah Syndrome, in which Mighty Whitey goes and saves the po' dark people from each other. A lot of people, interestingly enough, find attempts by white westerners to correct wrongs in the developing world to be highly offensive. It's worth mentioning that people in those countries with the worst human rights violations are doing something for themselves. Uganda, which is a high offender on the killing gay people list, saw its first Pride parade this year, without the help of white big brother.

On the other hand of course is the moral and ethical imperative to help those in need. If I hear my neighbor being robbed and beaten and I do nothing, saying "it's better to let them solve their own problems" I'm an accomplice in whatever happens to them. The biggest challenge is doing something at a national, global, and cultural level. When violence is justified in the culture, that's a lot harder to deal with than fixing something that everyone agrees on. For example, Man A beats Man B to death, but we discover the motivation was that Man B raped and murdered Man A's young daughter. Most of us would nod and say it was justifiable and we would root for Man A to get a lenient ruling in court. In Uganda or Saudi Arabia, if someone is killed either by police or their neighbor, most people are going to react the same way.

What we have to do it be allies to those who are working to make a difference in their own countries and cultures, rather than fixing problems for them. It's what is best and it is what is wanted by the "victims" in these cases. That means working with oppressed peoples and taking a backseat to what they are doing and not assuming leadership of someone else's cause. It is not easy, but if someone is truly concerned about foreign atrocities, it's what needs to happen.

Personally, I'm not that person. I don't have the resources to be part of a movement in another country. However, someday I might be. But first I need my own house in order before I fix someone else's house. In this case the bible and I actually agree:

Matthew 7:3-5

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Actually, what I find very interesting is that atheists and liberals ignore the fact that many countries with majority Christian populations like Brazil, S. Africa, Spain etc. Have gay marriage.

They also ignore the fact that certain atheist-majority countries like Japan, China. don't have gay marriage.