Christians, is this actually free will?

Your example isn't the best, but I understand what you're saying. Maybe this example will help you to understand? If a teenager girl wants to go to a party but her parents say they don't approve, and that if she goes she'll be grounded, but the girl goes anyways, she DID have freewill, she chose, but there's consequences. Just as you CAN kill, but if you do, you're going to jail. God tells us to do things because he knows what's best for us. For example, one of the ten commandments is, "Honor thy mother and father" now I mean obviously, in some cases, say if your parent is a sexual abuser, then it's safe to say that you can kick that person to get away, and God won't be like, "OMG HELL FOR YOU'. No, God made laws for US. Normally parents want what is best for us, and as ignorant children we can

't see that; normally if you honor your parents and listen to them you won't get into as much trouble. Also, God promises us eternal life and forgiveness, that beats eternal punishment any day. All you have to do is be sincere and ask God to be forgiven and your slate is made clean. There's eternal punishment because obviously, if you do bad, like kill someone, you go to jail, it's the same, except a little bit more extreme. He doesn't threaten, he nearly states the truth. We have free will, there are just consequences.

You do get to choose. You know the consequences, but the choice is yours. God doesn't *make* you do anything. Well, except die, at some point. And then the consequences are inescapable.

Everything has consequences. You can cross the street without looking both ways. Play Russian roulette. Run with scissors. Look into a laser. Pull the trigger "just to see if it's loaded." Some actions have more serious consequences than others. But you still get to choose. We can choose good, or we can choose evil.

Forgive me.

/Orthodox

It's not a threat, it's the truth. The fact is that God will not accept sin into Heaven and if you don't turn from your sin and believe in Jesus Christ then you will go to eternal punishment. God gives us free will by allowing us to live this life how we want, and to deal with the consequences after we die.

I don't see anyone forcing you to believe as you do...God certainly isn't.

God allows us to do as WE choose...meaning, WE choose our path and when we do, we also choose the consequences.

But to give you an example of choice and consequences....put your hand on a lit gas stove burner and hold it there. Your choice. And when you do, you can remove it as fast as you want, or keep it there. Your choice. And whatever your choice is, your burn will be the consequence. If you keep it on there a long time, you then choose to get badly burned. And if you choose to not get burned, you will pass your hand through the flame fast...or not at all. YOUR choice.

You make choices by what the consequences are. And all God does, is allow you to choose, and then He gives you....what you asked for. NOTHING more.

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So when a person chooses to not want to be with God...God will GRANT that wish. The person is asking for it, so God is giving it. If they do not want the punishment, they should NOT ask for it.

Remember, you have the will to do and think as you want, but you will pay the consequences of your actions. Not only with God, but with law enforcement, with parents, with teachers....with anyone who sets rules. Steal a car because you want too, and you then accept the punishment of jail time.

Two conflicting free wills, will bend towards the one with the strongest will....including that of Satan, if the person's will is weak.

Your quite right, what free will? If Got knows what will be our dicisions, how can it be free will, it is predestined, in a predestined universe the future is immutable and only God's ordained set of events can possibly occur

Only our Father in heaven has free will. Google "freewillnote" and see if you get anything

Robert Wheeler Todd

Well it still is, it is just if you choose not to make the choices God wants us to make, then we will be punished. Still our decision, just if we make the poor one, you pay the price.

well im not a christian but i have taken classes on these things.

I'm pretty sure the christian belief is that if you are forced to do something or your life is threatened, then its not that bad. or at least wont send you to hell

That is not what the bible teaches.

Jesus teaches that in Adam we are already condemned and He comes to save us for those who listen and believe his message.

God does not send anyone to hell. We are already condemned. We choose to repent and receive God's forgiveness provided by Jesus Christ.

I can't figure out why people knowingly choose hell either