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If Pavlov could make an adult dog salivate at the ringing of a bell in a matter of weeks...?

...imagine what a lifetime of positive reinforcement in response to god-worship could do in a person's lifetime, *from birth*. Could this not account for the feelings of positive "spiritual connection" that people feel during prayer?

Update:

What about parents and the like? Surely their approval of your worship would more than account for it?

Update 2:

I'm not a psychologist, but I would have thought it would be analogous. Prayer and parental comfort were delivered when a child was feeling blue. Slowly the parental comfort recinded, and the child experienced the same reaction when presented only with prayer.

Update 3:

@3 Point Omisa: It doesn't explain people, such as me, who for a long time had no interest in religion, and being atheist was never a topic of conversation in social circles.

Also, nobody ever claimed to be atheist because of a spiritual connection to the emptiness of the universe gave them special insight!

Update 4:

"*edit*, no interest in religion is distinctly different from anti-theism. Anti-theism is a social identity. Apathy is unbiased."

Touche. :-)

Update 5:

@ryan: Yes, humans are like stupid animals, except a lot smarter. Believe it or not, but Pavlov didn't stop with dogs. He experimented for 30 years on this effect which is called "classical conditioning". It works on humans too.

The rewards are not tangible, but they don't need to be. Children try to be deliberately cute not because they get extra food, but because of the intangible reward of extra attention.

Update 6:

@3 Point Omisa: And I think the intellectually honest Christians admit they fear death because, deep down, they know they do not know.

I think you might be catching atheists off guard with your terminology. Don't ask them if they're a nihilist, ask them if they think the universe and life has any objective meaning. People who want call themselves nihilists (such as myself) will often readily agree with this. However, I think life is full of subjective meaning, and therefore I wouldn't classify it as nihilism.

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  • Anonymous
    8 years ago
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    It seems much like agnostics coming here so that the other agnostics can convince them (and themselves) that they are actually atheists... .

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Overall, I think you are correct. Nevertheless, imagine the same effect in terms of atheism/anti-theism. The positive reinforcement is social consensus and peer agreement. The pernicious process of indoctrination starts at birth with raising children to meet the needs of the industrial system. Nobody questions the reason for considering increased efficiency a form of progress when critical technologies are always double edged swords and mental illness rates in the modern (and secularized) society are soaring.

    *edit*, no interest in religion is distinctly different from anti-theism. Anti-theism is a social identity. You wouldn't attach yourself to a social identity without positive social reinforcement. On the other hand, apathy is unbiased.

    If you listen closely, atheists are in denial of the emptiness of the universe. The intellectually honest atheists (nihilists) do, indeed, claim that awareness of the emptiness of the universe gives them special insight.

  • ?
    Lv 4
    5 years ago

    A Clumsical- extinction is a behavioral term wherein a habit that grow to be before bolstered disappears whilst it stops getting bolstered. So the salivating, that's a habit which grow to be bolstered via food, stopped happening (extinguished) whilst the reinforcement (food) stopped.

  • 8 years ago

    i guess positive reinforcement could work for lots of things, i could train my dog to salivate every time he hears me take a ****, that would be pretty funny.

    this doesn't seem to be related, unless you are saying people who pray to god are like stupid animals. i can't imagine many people finishing up they're prayers and immediately expect some tangible reward. their reward in intangible, in the world of delusion.

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  • 8 years ago

    I totally agree with you in that the dogs of Pavlov and the dogs of the priests are the same dogs who devoured w bush junior

  • .
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    Pavlov was studying conditional and unconditional instincts.

    Religion isn't stemming from instincts, religion is based on ability to sell idea.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Yes, if you assume that God is providing for the "positive reinforcement".

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