Martial Arts that De-Emphasise Kata or Patterns?

BJJ, Western wrestling, Judo, Muay Thai, boxing, most kickboxing, Krav Maga, JKD, Sambo, Aikido, Hapkido, classic Jujitsu, Haganah, Keysi Fighting Method, Shuai Jiao.

If we're talking "kata" as in solo forms. Some of these have them, but are de-emphasized (Shuai Jiao). Others have "kata" as a two-man exercise of basic techniques (classic Jujitsu).

@Jas Key: Kajukenbo actually does have kata. There isn't a great importance on doing them well. As long as you memorized them. In other words, if you do the katas well, that's great, if you are just OK doing the katas, that's great also. The most important thing in Kajukenbo is passing the physical toughness requirements. But this is more in the traditional schools. We have seen Youtube videos from Kajukenbo McDojos, and the students are not tough guys. Bunkai was never emphasized in the katas. The katas that I learned, I did them well, but I was not good at memorizing lots of katas. Unfortunately, they were a requirement to be a Black Belt. By the way, I did NOT give you a Thumbs Down.

Kajukenbo has katas but whether you do them well or not is not a big issue. In other words, if you are good at katas, that is great, if you are not good at katas, that's great also. As long as the physical toughness requirements are met, such as you do not mind being in pain, having the wind knocked out of you, being bruised, seeing stars, going into shock, getting injured, seeing your own blood, etc.

Is Kajukenbo better because they emphasize physical toughness over being able to do katas well? Not necessarily. This is just the way it is in traditional Kajukenbo schools.

Everyone in a traditional Kajukenbo school has passed the toughness requirements. The beginning student in his first workout will be subjected to the above mentioned scenarios. The instructor and the other students are seeing how many workouts a new student can take before he quits. If a new student actually stays, we are all surprised.

I would say that if Kajukenbo emphasized kata more, there will probably a lot more students training in Kajukenbo.

Well said, @Matt.

What you are really asking is if there are any styles (instructors, really...) where you do not practice via repetition, or where you cannot go home and practice something. If you are hitting a heavy bag using some combinations given to you (or something you made up), then you are doing kata. Perhaps, not in the strictest sense, but if you are randomly flailing at a heavy bag, you are either not practicing anything, or you are letting off steam. Same for shadow boxing, hitting focus pads, air kicks and punches, working in front of a mirror. Repetition and solo work is critical to any martial art - traditional or modern, sport or otherwise.

If you are not practicing solo via repetition, you are not practicing your style. If you are not working on perfecting your technique, you are wasting your time.

It still confuses me how people do not see how both sport/modern martial arts and traditional martial arts just do the same thing under different names.

The secret is repetition repetition repetition. Drills, Kata, two names for doing the same thing, learning a technique and then repeating it.

When you learn boxing you don't learn to throw the punches at random, you are taught the right technique for each in order. Jab-cross-hook-uppercut, repeat, Later on you learn to mix them up with foot work and defence tied in

TMA works no different....

HapKiDo has no hyungs or kata. Probably some of the grappling styles like BJJ don't have kata. most "combat styles" don't have them.

@Jacob smithseen shadow boxing can be considered a form of kata. mainly when you go thru a routine including majority of your strikes and counters and body movements.

Forms really are not a written in stone thing. they can be modified or adapted. Just because a basic kata would use a front stance with a upward block and a reverse lunge punch doesn't mean i adhere to it. I can replace the lunge punch with a spearhand or palm strike. the front stance could be swapped out for just abt any stance there is. And the upward bock could be changed for another type of block or perry.

what is shadow boxing but a free form kata?

and there is a difference. katas are more difficult than shadow boxing. They train you to move your body fluently, something that shadow boxing cant do. good to have in training, yes. replacement for sparring, punching bags, and exercise? nope.

Koyto

That is a big issue with them, and also a big up. Shadow boxing, the doing whatever you want aspect, well that means that you arent exposing your body to new movements. at the very least, katas are great for beginners and something that should be looked at by experienced men. albeit my first list of "Benefits" were worded poorly. my point in "more difficult" and "teahces you to move", is that you introduce your body to un-familiar movements. physically difficult is an entirely different debate with a two sided coin answer. but like im saying, they are close to the same thing.

Ben

If you work on Katas for more than 1/6 of your class time and dont spar, yes, stay the fck away from them.

Honestly? Modern combat sports do not often utilize Kata. Technique is trained by shadowboxing, modeling techniques in small increments, and related drills.

Some examples:

Boxing

Most styles of kickboxing and Muay Thai (some American styles do add kata due to Karate influences)

Judo

Sambo

Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

MMA schools (style may vary)

Krav Maga/Hagannah and related self defense systems (though you may do a lot of drills)

Combat Hapkido

Technically Jeet Kune Do

You may model certain techniques after being shown, but most schools in these styles will not have you doing anything like an entire form.

Hmmm. Are you asking cause you don't like them or you just don't want to do them, or maybe your just curious? I have to put my 2cent in. Hyungs are the backbone of a tradition. These traditions were learned whilst in true battles and were taking home and they were shared amongst there brother hood. They took these affective moves and trained to master them. One with such training versus one without. The math is there...

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