Martial artists losing in street fights ?

Someone with experience in street fighting that becomes their martial art. So for a martial artist of a particular style is giving up a slight edge to an experience street fighter when fighting a street fight. It would be like a judo expert sparring against a TKD expert and trying to beat him using TKD sparring rules. It's not likely to happen since the Judo guy doesn't train in high kicks and punches.Same goes for the TKD expert trying to beat a Judo expert sparring using Judo rules. the TKD expert does not have the throwing and holding expertise as the Judo expert and would be at a huge disadvantage.

So practicing a martial art is not a sure thing to winning a street fight but it will provide you with knowledge to defend yourself and stop the attacker. Even though it's not a sure thing of winning it sure is better than no training at all.

I was being bullied by this girl in school who had a rep of getting into fights and beating other kids up. I was scared of her. I told my instructor about it and he told me to try to avoid fighting her but if that wasn't possible my two options were to one play her game or two make her play my game. It did come to a fight and I kept my distance, confused her with quick counters then backing past the critical distance line and repeating until she was confused enough to where I could grab her safely and put an end to the fight along with the bullying. So I basically took a way what she was used to doing and making her fight the way I wanted too. Mr Joe Lewis used to teach that there are 3 basic kinds of fighters, runners, jammers and those who stand their ground. Most street fighters are jammers so I kept my distance fighting as a runner, staying out of range then going in after a counter making a few hits and back out again. I repeated this cycle 4 times before I went in a final time and ended the fight by beating her.

So what I think maybe a problem is when a martial artist gets into a fight they start fighting the way the street fighter is used too instead of getting the street fighter to fight the way the martial artist is used too.

Martial Arts Street Fights

Not all Street Fighter are tough, kinda of rare if they run into a natural born Street Fighter with good abilities.

Like for example some people had to workout hard to get to where they wanted, but person with natural abilities (born with) can do half of the workout and get to where the other guy is at.

Same way with Martial Artist, they're natural at what they do, while other martial artist having hard time learning the moves and required to take more time practicing them.

What I would like to see is Natural Martial Artist against Natural Born Street Fighter...the outcome would be close and they'll be fighting more than 30 min.. It'll be interesting fight.

I know a guy who I go school with, he never use kick when in street fighting (He a Martial Artist) He use quick punches. I don't know if the reason for not using kick is too dangerous might ending up hurting someone bad or what.

I have never seen a real martial artist loose a defense situation. The only theory I can come up with is they started the fight. And they were not trained to do that. Second could be the person was not trained well enough. Any one can win a fight. If you back a scared cat into a corner it will thrash you. Same for martial arts. It's not meant to start problems. I know my students start off with defense only. We build off that and that is the way there training is hard wired. So they will only truly fight to win if someone has pushed them to a corner and fighting is the only solution. But you billy bad azzz out there and he takes something and gets a big head. Those guys need to get whooped they need to be put in there place.

Street fights usually consist of X amount of people vs 1 person.

The thing martial arts teaches you is control and strategy, skills to use to defend yourself.

Instead I of just flailing around trying to fight someone, planning your moves and understanding what will control their movements.

If a martial artist loses in a fight its as simple as he sucks, it has nothing to do with the martial art.

Some people have fighting talent and some don't.

Are you referring to street fighting as an art? Or are you referring to it as an event, as in "getting in street fights?" As an art "street fighting" is the most uncoordinated, illogical, dangerous practice in all of combat. Because, essentially, street fighting is "learn-as-you-go" but there isn't anything specific that is being learned. A person gets in a fight and is beat to the ground and discovers that all the moves they made up in their head don't work... now what? And that's only if the person is lucky enough not to be permanently injured. Now, street fighting as an "event," may be a bad thing, but it's not stupid. In modern America, where I live, that is the first or second reason anyone learns martial arts. Street fighting and self defense against criminals are the only two prevalent reasons to learn martial arts, because war is uncommon in everyday life. Martial arts combat as a sport is merely an aspect of training and is not the True expression of martial arts: which is real combat.

That's a question for the record books! Seriously, I can imagine that this question gets asked by a lot of people, for good reason too. Here are some of the biggest reasons I can think of from the top of my head:

1. McDojos. They're dojos that teach total BS, and students that become grandmasters in them think that they're able to defeat anybody, and end up realizing that what they studied was BS when they face a real fighter.

2. Overconfidence. A student becomes a 4th degree blackbelt, and he feels pretty confident. So confident, he feels that he could even face a group of 5 guys, and just assumes that these 5 guys have no experience. Turns out, these 5 guys are part of a fight club, and have experience, and eat the overconfident student for dinner.

3. Adrenaline. Dojos tend to teach tactics that work, but only in an environment that has no potential chance of death through a bloody stabbing. When a student tries to use these tactics in a real life situation, they get scared because they're in a scary situation, and they lose. Not because of their body movement techniques, but because they lost the psychological battle of having the mind to fight in that type of situation.

People get beaten in street fights all the time, they get mugged, gang-bashed or just plain old smacked down. The difference is that when it happens to a martial artist and the culprits know that it tends to be something to brag about, on top of that people who know the martial artist also want to know how it happened because they tend to know about his or her training. In short it becomes big news and gets a fair bit of attention, more so if that person holds some kind of impressive rank.

A lot of times it is a numbers game, people no matter how gifted at fighting can only fight off so many people at once, that number decreases when one or more of their assailants is a half decent fighter themselves.

Next issue is rubbish teaching, a depressing number of schools are sub par at preparing students for confrontation and/or conflict, there are martial artists in the world who call themselves 'Grandmasters' but have never suffered a bruise and that's not because of their skill it's because they've never been put in a situation to get hit, in short they've never sparred and are no more martial artists than dancers.

Last point I'm going to bring up is the ambush. Unless you frequent places where you will get challenged to fights the most likely scenario you will face is one you never know about until after you regain consciousness. If someone wants your wallet they're more likely to king-hit, knock you out and take it than bother threatening for it.

Usually it depends on the person and not some bs style. Some people are born to kick a$$, they are strong, tough and have a knack for fighting, throughout history people have fought to defend their land and people some warriors were always above average and wiped out other humans, survival of the fittest just like the animal kingdom, does a lion have a style? No its a f'n lion it will kill you in a heartbeat and theres nothing you can do except maybe spear it (if your lucky) or shoot it.

A lot of it is poor training. If you aren't doing heavy sparring with resisting partners you probably aren't going to be able to react very well. When your heart rate jumps above a certian rate (I think it's somewhere around 185 bpm) your fine muscle motor movement goes out the window and you are left with just base reactions, if you haven't trained properly to be calm when your life is threatened, or to use your "gross motor movements" to attack you will probably lose.

Another thing is that it's actually easier beating an opponent that is somewhat skilled at fighting than to beat a beginner. If you have a base in the martial arts it's easier fighting a skilled fighter because the have a rhythm to their fight which you can read and counter off of. A beginner is much harder to read because they will throw any type of attack and it's disorienting.

So if you aren't training with hard sparring and drills that are geared towards reacting to surprise attacks, than you probably aren't going to fare so well in a fight.