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David M asked in Politics & GovernmentPolitics · 8 years ago

In the US today, is racism still the problem or is it rather culturism?

As we recall the 50th Anniversery of the "I Have a Dream Speech" There has been a lot of discussion about racism and race relations. Especially right after Barak Obama was elected to his first term many journalists and pundits euphorically claimed that the US had just becoime a "post-racial" society. Many minorities, especially those associated with the civil rights movement of the 60s, dispute that claim and can cite many examples where seemingly racial discrimination still occurs today.

My question is; Is the discrimination really still "racial"?

Is the problem people hating other people simply because of the color of their skin or rather is the discrimination based upon the idea that a particular CULTURE is inferrior? It's still unfair either way, but isn't the problem actually CULTURISM?

For example, blacks who dress in suits and ties and talk like Carlton from the old show "Fresh Prince...", (i.e Condolesa Rice, Colin Powel, or the president, or Latinos like Justice Sotomeyor), I would submit, experience much less overt descrimination than african americans (Or even and hip hop stylin' Latinos and whites) who openly use African American English (often euphemized as "Ebonics") or other racial identifying language, wear saggy pants and other visual markers that identify them as members of a particular minority social group. Now, there are certainly some individuals who do experience true racism, but hasn't INSTITUTIONAL racism been replaced with institutional culturism? (i.e. most people don't mind individuals who are black, but don't care for those who ACT black.)

Would it not be more constructive when discussing race relations to view it as cultural discrimination and steroetyping rather than racism? I would argue that NOT recognizing this as cultural discrimination still allows those who practice it to say "Look! We have a black president! Race conflict is now all in the past and if you think otherwise you're just being rediculous!"

What do you think?

Update:

@Dead Squirel

It is you using the terms "Good Blacks" and "Bad Blacks" not me, but the fact that you have an inherant understanding that those concepts exhist actually proves my point. What is a "good black" by you definition of the word, I wonder? I will hazard a guess that it has something to do with using polite standard american english like on the nightly news, having a nice white-bread name like Paul Johnson, and dressing like an Abercrombie and Fitch model. All of those things are CULTURAL markers and show that the animous is much more about American black culture than black skin. Thus the "race" problem in america should be addressed more in terms of intercultural understanding. Perhaps more like the Ulster Project in Northern Ireland.

Update 2:

@ Romare

Any time I have heard Powel, Rice or Obama talk about the racism they endured, it has been about events that happened DECADES in the past. At the same time, I do not deny that isolated incidences of true racism still occur. However, being a racist is no longer socially acceptable behavior. Remember, there was a time when standing in school house door and loudly declaring "Segregation today! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever!" was a perfectly acceptable thing to do for a State Governor to do. That is no longer the case. That is actually part of the problem with addressing race relations now. I know plenty of white people who are dead serious in saying "I'm not racist because I don't hate black people" but the look down their noses with destain at anything that is identified with African American culture - like the saggy pants, or using African American English, or listening to rap music. They don't care about the skin, They just want blac

Update 3:

They just want black people to act like white people.

Update 4:

@Tracy

There are certainly people who hate the president, but to be perfectly honest the level of vitriol doesn't seem much different from the way loonies on the far right hated and despised Bill Clinton when he was in office.

I think all of you are missing the point though. I am pointing out that the idea among some that we are living in a post racial society because we have a black president actually MAKE RACE RELATIONS WORSE! My only point is that among those who believe themselves to be post racial, that is not necessarily the case just because they don't care about how tan someone is anymore. My argument is simply that dealing with racial issues in the US is MUCH more nuanced and complicated than simply skin color and failing to recognize that allows people to delude themselves into thinking that there are no problems anymore.

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  • 8 years ago

    Well, yes, some morons said that racism no longer exists because a Black man was elected president. No one who has any brain at all mindlessly believes everything morons say.

    Of COURSE there's still racism in the US. Blacks and Hispanics, but not others, are constantly harassed and treated as criminals by police; institutions still discriminate (investment firms taking Black's clients away, giving them to Whites, and shunting the Blacks into low-paying positions -- that's just ONE recent example; banks making loans with the worst terms ONLY to Blacks regardless of how identical their finances are to others).

    You are under the delusion that Blacks and Hispanics in SUITS don't routinely get treated as criminals by cops; or are otherwise discriminated against. You are completely wrong.

    The fact that many people discriminate based on accent is idiotic. Saying that it happens doesn't make it LESS so. Everyone learned to talk exactly the same way -- by picking up how everyone around them talks when they were young and learning language.

    I'm not discouraging people pointing out that only morons judge people based on their speech and clothes, just that that is NOT all that's going on.

    ???? Really? Yes, when people become super-powerful, everyone recognizes them, and they're in a bubble of secret service guards, then they don't get pulled over by cops, or generally treated like sh*t. That doesn't mean that that applies to EVERY Black or Hispanic in a suit.

    The fact that screaming about segregation isn't considered socially acceptable doesn't mean racism is dead and gone.

    It's funny how those same people don't think it's legitimate for anyone to tell THEM how to dress or what to listen to for entertainment. The fact that morons say moronic stuff doesn't mean that what they say is RIGHT.

  • Tracy
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    You don't get around much, do you? Systemic, institutionalized racism is alive and well. And yes, it I all about skin color. The President is a perfect example. Look at many of the posters here. There is a universal hatred and disrespect, and given that he has done NOTHING that many other Presidents have done before, it must be concluded that it is specifically about the man, not the office. There is only 1 thing different about the man--the color of his skin.

    The unprecedented loathing, even before he took power, was directed toward his "otherness". He was asked for his papers. both for citizenship and education. He was called a liar on the Congressional floor. He and his family are likened to gorillas, chimpanzees and monkeys. He is called "Obongo", "Presadunce" and a host of other personal attacks.

    The only change is that it has become slimier, more virulent and it disguises itself rather than declaring its "legitimacy" based on the "superiority" of whites.

    Source(s): Old white lady. Watching the crap for half a century.
  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    I guess you missed the millions of times that black men like Obama, Colin Powell, Jay Z, Morgan Freeman, Forest Whitaker, John Lewis, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Kobe Bryant and many, many others have described their experiences with being discriminated against.

  • 8 years ago

    The ones with the power to help further the cause doing nothing with that power is the problem, and that includes everyone who has the means regardless of race

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  • ?
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    Still racism

    proven by two words "Yahoo answers."

    What makes it racism is the fact that you have elaborate theories about "good" blacks and bad "blacks," but have none of these same theories about "good" whites and "bad" whites, culturally. Instead you spend your time ranting about black people and what you like to call black culture..

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Reverse Racism is the problem today, blacks and Hispanics have gained equality and now they are trying to gain superiority over the people who built this Great Nation for them to come along and destroy.

    Source(s): OBAMA SO LOVED THE POOR HE CREATED MILLIONS MORE
  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    Depends on if you ask smart people or the retards that vote for the Democrats.

  • 8 years ago

    Here are some statistics about the color of crime in America. It's difficult to argue with numbers.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sou...

  • 8 years ago

    Blacks seem to be the most racist.

  • ?
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    Jackson, Sharpton and all the other "race baiters" are the problem...

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