Trinitarian Christians: why do you believe in the nicene trinity?

the original writings of the early Christian fathers (and even the council) also do not support the construct of trinity we have today....that has grown and changed thru the centuries.

it originiated with the gnostics and the term (first used by them) homoousios.....meant to provide separation between what is being generated and it's generator.

origen was the first ecclesiastical writer to use the word in a trinitarian context...but he also made it evident in his writings that he considered the Son's divinity lesser than the Father's. and the original nicene synod indicates only that the NATURE, the 'essence' the (and here comes the start of the confusion...) 'substance' of the Father, the Son, and the HS are united.

from there forward, it became a discussion of what 'substance' means.

Firstly, I'd like to talk a bit about what the Trinity actually means. The trinity refers to ONE (1) God in THREE (3) forms, kind of like how H20 can be solid (ice), liquid (water), and gas (steam). All three are H20, but they're all very different physically. Similarly, God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all 1 God, but they all differ in functions/purposes, and roles. (For example, Jesus died on the cross, not the Father or the holy spirit.)

I've come up with a list of Scriptures from the Bible that support the Trinity.Feel free to Google these and explore them for yourself.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." (John 1: 1-2)

Here, the "Word" refers to Jesus. When you replace the word "Word" with the word "Jesus", things make a little more sense:

"In the beginning was [Jesus], and [Jesus] was with God, and [Jesus] was God..."

"But very truly I (Jesus) tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you." (John 16:7)

Here, the word "advocate" refers to The holy spirit. One more verse and then I'll piece together all three verses:

"...I (Jesus) go to the father." (John 16:16).

Now, Jesus (the son) goes to God (the father), and the result is that the "advocate" (holy spirit) comes down to Jesus' followers. Do you see the connection between these three? My point here in connecting these three is to show that the concept of the Trinity is proven by this connection!

Hope this helps!!

God bless!

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Actaully you incorrect on many levels. The original Apostles believed that Jesus was God, there was not yet a Holy Trinity of God but the Christians understood that the Father and the Son are God. There is proof of this found in the 2nd century writtings of St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr, the actual term "Trinity" was first used by St. Theophilius of Antioch near the end of the 2nd century. And during the 3rd century the debate was not over the orthodoxy of the Holy Trinity of God by the Church Fathers but rather over Persons and Substance in which St. Tertullian defended the orthodox belief against the Praxean heresy. There were other heresies like Adoptionism and Sabellianism but these didn't discredit the Divinity of Jesus as God. The Adoptionism heresy was that Jesus was adopted by God at the moment of His conception in which Jesus inherited His Divine Nature as God, a latter version of this heresy was Jesus lived His life as a man and was adopted by God when He was baptized by St. John the Baptist in which He inherited His Divine Nature as God. The Sabellianism heresy is the the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same Divine Person but each having their own roles.

Arianism originated during the 4th century this was the first time the Divnity of Jesus being God was rejected. The First Council of Nicene in 325 AD was not even about the Holy Trinity of God, but rather to end the contraversy of the Arian heretics over the Divinity of Jesus as God which ended in a stillmate but it was deemed in accordance of the Apostles by the council that Jesus was God.

As a child I was told I was in danger of hellfire because I never understood the Trinity. I studied the Bible and came to the conclusion that the Trinity is blasphemous. Don't forget that "the Father is greater than I", and "Why callest thou me good? For none is good except God". But Christians will do their mental gymnastics and say stupid stuff to make it seem like those verses support the Trinity.

Trinitarians are the epitome of brainwashed theists.

I believe the book on physiology also. There are a lot of books I believe. I believe the Bible too. Put them all together and there is a lot more to understand than what we find in the Bible. To struggle with the Nicene expression of the Trinity is noble but perhaps not really necessary. Not if it leads to more confusion than understanding. Too bad confusion happens with it instead of understanding.Oh well.

Actually you misunderstand trinitarianism, what you are saying they believe is actually partialism which states that there is one god broken up into three pieces. Three pieces make up one god. Trinitarians believe that god is one but the father is god, the son is god, and the holy ghost is god but the father is not the holy ghost, the son is not the father, and the holy ghost is not the son but they are all god who is one. It is confusing as f*ck, I used to be oneness which made a hell of a lot more sense than trinitarianism.

Edit, it is not supposed to be three parts of one god, more like all three of them are the one god. It is hard to explain. Partialism explains it as three parts of one god, oneness explains it as one god manifest in three different forms, trinitarianism is somewhere in the middle of that. Three beings that are fully god but only one god.

You said you read John Chapter 20?Did you miss John 20:28-29 where Thomas calls Jesus his LORD and his God and he commends him for it?

I also do not believe in the unbiblical Trinity doctrine.

Concerning the word "god", it is used in various parts of the Bible, Jesus was called a "God", Satan was called a "god" and even Moses, a human, was called a "god".

who, then should Christians call God? well, here's an interesting verse 1 Cor 8:5,6 http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=1+Cor+8%3A5%2...

Jehovah's Witnesses know that the word "god" in the Bible is only a title, like the words "president", "professor", etc.

Jesus said in Mat 6:9:

“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name+ be sanctified.*+

does this mean the Creator, and the Father of Jesus has a personal name?

unlike any other title, the tetragrammon YHWH appears in the Bible approx 7000 times!! and there are many verses that indicate to it being a personal name, not just a title (like "god" for example).

see for instance this verse, Ps 83:18 http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Psalms+83%3A1... or Ex. 6:3 http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=exodus+6%3A3

should we use God's personal name?

Romans 10:13 (based on Joel 2:32) http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/l/r1/lp-e?q=Romans+10%3A1...

Jehovah's Witnesses know there are many false gods that's why they use the His personal name, to differentiate him from all the other false gods, like the trinitarian gods of ancient Egipt and Babylon.

here's a short list of frequent religious questions people ask, you may want to take a look http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/

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why not check out the old testament , where the word Lord stands for Jesus