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How come there is no airtight theological/philosophical argument for the existence of God?

You'd think god would make his existence real obvious by now...

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  • Tiger
    Lv 7
    8 years ago
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    Who say there is not? You just do not want to believe. Check this story.

    : Luke 16:19-31 contains the account of a very rich man who lived a life of extreme luxury. Laid outside the gate of this rich man’s house, however, was an extremely poor man named Lazarus who simply hoped “to eat what fell from the rich man’s table” (v. 21). The rich man was completely indifferent to the plight of Lazarus, showing him no love, sympathy, or compassion whatsoever. Eventually, they both died. Lazarus went to heaven, and the rich man went to hell. Appealing to “Father Abraham” in heaven, the rich man requested that Lazarus be sent to cool his tongue with a drop of water to lessen his “agony in this fire.” The rich man also asked Abraham to send Lazarus back to earth to warn his brothers to repent so that they would never join him in hell. Both requests were denied. Abraham told the rich man that if his brothers did not believe in Scripture, neither would they believe a messenger, even if he came straight from heaven.

    There is some question as to whether this story is a true, real-life account or a parable, since two of its characters are named (making it unique among parables). Parable or not, however, there is a much we can learn from this passage:

    First of all, Jesus teaches here that heaven and hell are both real, literal places. Sadly, many preachers shy away from uncomfortable topics such as hell. Some even teach “universalism” – the belief that everyone goes to heaven. Yet Christ spoke about hell a great deal, as did Paul, Peter, John, Jude, and the writer of Hebrews. The Bible is clear that every person who has ever lived will spend eternity in either heaven or hell. Like the rich man in the story, multitudes today are complacent in their conviction that all is well with their soul, and many will hear our Savior tell them otherwise when they die (Matthew 7:23).

    This story also illustrates that once we cross the eternal horizon, that’s it. There are no more chances. The transition to our eternal state takes place the moment we die (2 Corinthians 5:8; Luke 23:43; Philippians 1:23). When believers die, they are immediately in the conscious fellowship and joys of heaven. When unbelievers die, they are just as immediately in the conscious pain, suffering, and torment of hell. Notice the rich man didn’t ask for his brothers to pray for his release from some purgatorial middle ground, thereby expediting his journey to heaven. He knew he was in hell, and he knew why. That’s why his requests were merely to be comforted and to have a warning sent to his brothers. He knew there was no escape. He was eternally separated from God, and Abraham made it clear to him that there was no hope of ever mitigating his pain, suffering, or sorrow. Those in hell will perfectly recollect missed opportunities and their rejection of the gospel.

    Like many these days who buy into the “prosperity gospel,” the rich man wrongly saw his material riches as evidence of God’s love and blessing. Likewise, he believed the poor and destitute, like Lazarus, were cursed by God. Yet, as the apostle James exhorted, “You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter” (James 5:5). Not only do riches not get one into heaven, but they have the power to separate a person from God in a way that few other things can. Riches are deceitful (Mark 4:19). It is certainly not impossible for the very rich to enter heaven (many heroes of the Bible were wealthy), but Scripture is clear that it is very hard (Matthew 19:23-24; Mark 10:23-25; Luke 18:24-25).

    True followers of Christ will not be indifferent to the plight of the poor like the rich man in this story was. God loves the poor and is offended when His children neglect them (Proverbs 17:5; 22:9, 22-23; 29:7; 31:8-9). In fact, those who show mercy to the poor are in effect ministering to Christ personally (Matthew 25:35-40). Christians are known by the fruit they bear. The Holy Spirit’s residence in our hearts will most certainly impact how we live and what we do.

    Abraham’s words in verses 29 and 31 referring to “Moses and the Prophets” (Scripture) confirms that understanding the revealed Word of God has the power to turn unbelief into faith (Hebrew 4:12; James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23). Furthermore, knowing Scripture helps us to understand that God’s children, like Lazarus, can suffer while on this earth—suffering is one of the many tragic consequences of living in a sinful and fallen world.

    “What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul?” (Matthew 16:26; Mark 8:36). The truth is, if we wish to live apart from God during our time on earth, He will grant us our wish for eternity as well. As one pastor aptly said, “If you board the train of unbelief, you will have to take it all the way to its destination.”

    MIMI

  • 8 years ago

    Yes wouldn't that be awesome so loads of selfish people can say 'oh he does exist' and go back to their lives of hatred, egoism and misery. And that would solve humanity? Not a chance.

    Also if god does do this, it would also be great if 'he' would answer all the other things we don't have answers for first like...

    What is the universe made of ?

    How did life begin ?

    Are we alone in the universe ?

    What is conciousness ?

    What is matter, why do we exist ?

    What's so weird about prime numbers ?

    How many universes are there ?

    What's the cure for cancer ?

    What's at the bottom of the ocean ?

    What's at the bottom of a black hole ?

    Is time travel possible ?

    Humans don't know ****, evidence is overrated.

  • 8 years ago

    there are many, as long as you accept the premise, the axioms, the base initial conditions (the IF aspect) as true. If you have done any philosophical logical thinking, you would recognize that all interpretations of reality require an assumption of things that are not demonstrable as always true yet must be so assumed to start the logical structure.

    We are subjective in our world views, and cannot be otherwise, being isolated and obtaining information through sense filters. This requires accepting something as true even if it is not possible to demonstrate the truth unequivocally.

    Your presumption is that a thing can only be shown to exist if you can find physical evidence for its existence. I agree with you, but that doesn't make it an absolute and unarguable truth.

  • 8 years ago

    Well, there is one for the soul by Change Tsu

    "It comes out from no source, it goes back in through no aperture. It has reality yet no place where it resides; it has duration yet no beginning or end. Something emerges, though through no aperture - this refers to the fact that it has reality. It has reality yet there is no place where it resides - this refers to the dimension of space. It has duration but no beginning or end - this refers to the dimension of time. There is life, there is death, there is a coming out, there is a going back in - yet in the coming out and going back its form is never seen."

    It also is a good argument for antimatter.

    http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/GeneralInterest/Har...

    So basically what this says is that there is an effect, but we do not see or know the cause. Of course, we shouldn't assume it is a soul. (a cohesive entity made of energy) There may be an entire set of laws and rules governing life and death that we are unaware of.

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  • 8 years ago

    The only airtight arguments exist in mathematics - fact.

  • Leroy
    Lv 5
    8 years ago

    There IS and He DOES. God's existence is so obvious, that denial requires completely ignoring the patently obvious evidence. Pointing out the obvious to one who refuses to see it is-for the most part-futile.

  • 8 years ago

    God is a fictional character from the mythology of the ancient Middle East.

    There is no way to make a sustainable argument for the actual existence of a fictional character.

  • Anonymous
    8 years ago

    look in the mirror. What you see wasnt an accident. It didnt arrive on its own. It doesnt have to be so ignorant. John 10:10 God Bless

    Source(s): Jesus saves
  • 8 years ago

    The fact that there are "arguments" indicates that there is no actual evidence- arguments wouldn't be necessary if there were any. The purpose of arguments is not to prove anything, only to convince others that that which really isn't evidence is evidence.

  • Keith
    Lv 7
    8 years ago

    I guess He made You. And technically you are telling this Forum of millions of People, that you do not Exist. Do you want to take that back. Know Jesus Know Peace No Jesus No Peace

    Source(s): The Bible KJV
  • Who defines 'airtight'? Ready to suffocate?

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