atheists: would you agree that christianity is more likely to cure selfishness and greed than atheism?

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Most Christians are more selfish and greedy than I am. I give money to the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, the hungry, Syrian children. How many Christians on here can say that?

There are studies that show that religious altruism only extends to the in-group. That means that Christians by and large are more likely to be "nice" to other christians, or those they believe they can turn into christians. To be fair, this is often true of other in-group mindsets, but the point is, no. No group of people is on the whole more selfless than any other, and there is no "cure" for selfishness (inherently not evil itself) or greed.

Christian nations plundered and invaded peaceful nations in the 17/18/19th century. That was how most of the European nations recovered from brink of bankruptcy.

To snatch away large tracts of lands, these Christians exterminated the natives in North and South America, Tasmania and New Zealand. Furthermore, they enslaved the Africans. There was only greed and selfishness in all those atrocities committed, and you expect Christianity to be the beacon of light to eradicate greed and selfishness when Christians were/are the biggest culprits?

The affluence of western nations, today, were built from plundering, genocide and invasion and you could understand why the topic is taboo and not proudly discussed. If not from the wealth gained from such atrocities, most European nations would be poorer than African nations.

You could change the packaging but not the core value. Look at how conservative Republicans are against social welfare and supporting the corporations and the rich. These conservatives are far more religious than the liberals, and these conservatives support the greed of the rich but would not hesitate to have the poor dying because they claim that the poor are too lazy to earn a living - that's the morals of the religious. And, they don't understand that 1/3 of those welfare recipients are actually veterans.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett pledged to donate 99% of their massive wealth to charity. They had each donated billions away (they are agnostics) but the Koch brothers spent hundreds of millions each year on smear campaign against Obama and on funding "scientists" to propagate lies about global warming. This is another stark example of how a Christian behave versus a non-Christian.

If you're not saying that atheists are more selfish or greedy, then clearly Christianity doesn't do a very good job of preventing selfishness or greed.

That said, atheism isn't an ideology. It doesn't prescribe anything, and that includes being selfish or unselfish or anything in between.

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If we based this off the principle, rather than reality....then it wouldn't be a 'cure' per say, but it would certainly be 'damage control' for selfishness and greed.

Atheism holds nothing more than just non-belief in a deity, however under that notion the concept of morals are subjective.

That means there is no clear distinction of what is considered 'selfish' or 'greedy', especially when any action can be rationalized to justified actions.

Christianity it's set in stone by a standard; with consequences upon detracting from it.

Now the cache 22 is that a secular mindset can most likely EFFICIENTLY control selfishness and greed through stringent laws and policies that the culture would have to abide by; with impetuous consequences like death or slavery or whatever. The problem is that it would mean humans may suffer via death or suffering which is 'inhumane'.

Sounds like Christianity right? However the 'judgment' is SUPPOSED to be from GOD, not CHRISTIANS. Which means you have all the opportunity to right your wrongs living, and if you fail to do it, well you suffer the harsh consequences after death. In a secular world you feel the wrath NOW, and without much chance for 'forgiveness' unless again a law or policy allowed some sort of 'redemption policy' aside from life in prison.

Christianity offers the freedom to 'get right' during your entire life here, without the instantaneous fear of death or suffering from humans in power (AGAIN, under the notion of the principle; meaning Christianity working as intended without the politics, judging, and human fallibility).

Atheism offers efficiency, but through immediate punishments and means that will not be agreeable to humanity as a whole (everyone is different and rationalize selfishness and greed differently).

But again, this is ASSUMING we these concepts are followed as intended.

The REALITY is though, is that Christians don't follow their religion as intended (hence the thousands of religions existing that are related, but done differently). And atheists follow different mindsets (because again, atheist is just a person not believing in God, their attributes vary in mindset).

So selfishness and greed runs rampant in both theists and atheists, so while the concept behind each has their own unique solution, the reality is that none will likely 'cure' selfishness and greed.

my 2 cents.

As one nearer to atheism than Christianity or any other religion, I'd have to agree with you. Ironically, Christianity is very similar to socialism, and quite anti-capitalist. Your idea that 'there are people who will only act nicely if they are threatened' is very dictatorial and right-wing, and amusing coming from a follower of Christ.

No. In particular the Calvinist sects hold that worldly wealth is a sign of divine favour and poverty is the result of being evil. Naturally such Christians want to acquire as much wealth as possible to prove they are among the elect and to lord it over the poor.

The very basis for morals in Christianity is based on do good and go to heaven and do bad and you will burn in an eternal hell.

Is you need these 'incentives' then you are not a good person.

Enforcing communism and socialism would change peoples minds, but who can be the judge of greed?

What is you doing anything that doesn't benefit society if not selfish?

It doesn't need a cure, it needs moderation.

No. In any case a certain amount of selfishness is a useful emotion.