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Is God self existing or is the Holy Spirit?

Ruach Spirit in English is defined as Breath, wind, and Spirit. The bible interchangeably uses these 3 words to makeup what's going on at particular moments in the book. But things get tricky when I learned about the Holy Spirit I just had a thought and was wondering did the Holy Spirit come from God, or is the Holy Spirit the source of God?

Don't comment to soon, think about this if I am human and breathe, and have a spirit, am I the source of my breath or was my spirit always here?

If God created all things it was by his mouth he spoke things into existence if the Holy Spirit was here before God where did he come from? If God is self existing then The Holy Spirit was created from God. Which is it? Think I found a glitch in the matrix.

Update:

@Jame K Self existing means there is no reason for your existence, your existence wasn't caused by an outside force but by your own will, purpose, and desire. In other words you exist because you can exist.

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  • 7 years ago
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    God is self-existent, existing before existence itself, since God created all that is, and is not part of the creation. Christianity from the earliest times synthesized the various understandings of God into a doctrine of the Holy Trinity, that God is a trinity of persons: the Father (the source of all), the Word/Son (who is eternally begotten of the Father), and the Holy Spirit (who proceeds eternally from the Father).

    Jesus prayed to the Father. The apostle John wrote that the Word is God from the beginning, and was incarnate in Jesus, the only-begotten Son (John 1:1 & John 3:16); John also recorded Jesus' words that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:36). The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son -- their identities are distinct, but they subsist together.

    The early church specifically rejected a teaching that "there was a time when the Son was not" taught by Arius -- whose doctrines today have been resurrected among those who teach that Jesus is the incarnation of the Archangel Michael and not God in human flesh. An ancient error is still an error.

    Forgive me.

    /Orthodox

  • Micah
    Lv 6
    7 years ago

    God is self existing and since the Holy Spirit is Gods active force or power it cannot exist apart from God. There is no power like Jehovah's spirit. He used it in creating the first spirit person, his beloved Son. He then gave his only begotten Son the use of this power to create all other things. Imagine a power so intense that by means of it, the sun was created, along with the billions of stars, planets and the moon, yes the awesome universe which is totally amazing.

  • Arnie
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    When asked to describe my thoughts on GOD and Religion my train of thought led me right to gravity. . .

    You can’t see gravity, You can’t taste it, I just know one thing for certain, that it exists.

    The mystery's of faith an GOD are beyond our ability to understand.

    There is a lot we know but so much more that we don't..

    I feel bad that if someone does not have faith they would want others to agree with them!

    How can the universe create itself out of nothingness? Given the fact that the universe began to exist, it must have had a “cause” that originated it.Doesn't it make more sense to assume the existence of a Creation. This statement is tricky because it sneaks in the false assumption that GOD came from somewhere and then asks where that might be. The answer is that the question does not even make sense. It is like asking, “What does blue smell like?” Blue is not in the category of things that have a smell, so the question itself is flawed. In the same way, GOD is not in the category of things that are created or caused. GOD is uncaused and uncreated—He simply exists.

    We know that from nothing, nothing comes. So, if there were ever a time when there was absolutely nothing in existence, then nothing would have ever come into existence. But things do exist. Therefore, since there could never have been absolutely nothing, something had to have always been in existence. That ever-existing being is what we call GOD ,GOD is the un-caused Being that caused everything else to come into existence. God is the uncreated Creator who created the universe and everything in it.

    The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning, GOD unlike the universe, had no beginning, so he doesn’t need a cause. Einstein’s theory of general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since GOD is the creator of the whole universe, he is the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created..

    Life without GOD is like an un- sharpened pencil it has no point..

    You can't see the wind, but you know it is there because you can see what the wind is doing. You can know that the wind is there because you can feel it.GOD is like the wind, you can't see him

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    The Holy Spirit is one of God's several identities. If A is an identity of B and B has attribute C, then A has attribute C. Therefore the spirit of holiness is self-existent.

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  • 7 years ago

    "Self-existing?" What does this even mean? Assuming a god were to exist (and it were your god), it would be self-existing in the same way that a cookie is self-existing. It is difficult, by definition, to exist as another.

    Source(s): atheist
  • 7 years ago

    Gods and holy spirits do not exist nor self exist.

  • Anonymous
    7 years ago

    Tis an occurrence of God...Jewish religion....DEEEP

  • ?
    Lv 7
    7 years ago

    The Holy Spirit—God’s Active Force

    ACCORDING to the Trinity doctrine, the holy spirit is the third person of a Godhead, equal to the Father and to the Son. As the book Our Orthodox Christian Faith says: “The Holy Spirit is totally God.”

    In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word most frequently used for “spirit” is ru′ach, meaning “breath; wind; spirit.” In the Greek Scriptures, the word is pneu′ma, having a similar meaning. Do these words indicate that the holy spirit is part of a Trinity?

    An Active Force

    THE Bible’s use of “holy spirit” indicates that it is a controlled force that Jehovah God uses to accomplish a variety of his purposes. To a certain extent, it can be likened to electricity, a force that can be adapted to perform a great variety of operations.

    At Genesis 1:2 the Bible states that “God’s active force [“spirit” (Hebrew, ru′ach)] was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.” Here, God’s spirit was his active force working to shape the earth.

    God uses his spirit to enlighten those who serve him. David prayed: “Teach me to do your will, for you are my God. Your spirit [ru′ach] is good; may it lead me in the land of uprightness.” (Psalm 143:10) When 70 capable men were appointed to help Moses, God said to him: “I shall have to take away some of the spirit [ru′ach] that is upon you and place it upon them.”—Numbers 11:17.

    Bible prophecy was recorded when men of God were “borne along by holy spirit [Greek, from pneu′ma].” (2 Peter 1:20, 21) In this way the Bible was “inspired of God,” the Greek word for which is The·o′pneu·stos, meaning “God-breathed.” (2 Timothy 3:16) And holy spirit guided certain people to see visions or to have prophetic dreams.—2 Samuel 23:2; Joel 2:28, 29; Luke 1:67; Acts 1:16; 2:32, 33.

    The holy spirit impelled Jesus to go into the wilderness after his baptism. (Mark 1:12) The spirit was like a fire within God’s servants, causing them to be energized by that force. And it enabled them to speak out boldly and courageously.—Micah 3:8; Acts 7:55-60; 18:25; Romans 12:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:19.

    By his spirit, God carries out his judgments on men and nations. (Isaiah 30:27, 28; 59:18, 19) And God’s spirit can reach everywhere, acting for people or against them.—Psalm 139:7-12.

    ‘Power Beyond Normal’

    GOD’S spirit can also supply “power beyond what is normal” to those who serve him. (2 Corinthians 4:7) This enables them to endure trials of faith or to do things they could not otherwise do.

    For example, regarding Samson, Judges 14:6 relates: “The spirit of Yahweh seized on him, and though he had no weapon in his hand he tore the lion in pieces.” (JB) Did a divine person actually enter or seize Samson, manipulating his body to do what he did? No, it was really “the power of the LORD [that] made Samson strong.”—TEV.

    The Bible says that when Jesus was baptized, holy spirit came down upon him appearing like a dove, not like a human form. (Mark 1:10) This active force of God enabled Jesus to heal the sick and raise the dead. As Luke 5:17 says: “The Power of the Lord [God] was behind his [Jesus’] works of healing.”—JB.

    God’s spirit also empowered the disciples of Jesus to do miraculous things. Acts 2:1-4 relates that the disciples were assembled together at Pentecost when “suddenly there occurred from heaven a noise just like that of a rushing stiff breeze, . . . and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak with different tongues, just as the spirit was granting them to make utterance.”

    So the holy spirit gave Jesus and other servants of God the power to do what humans ordinarily could not do.

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