Atheists: about Jesus' existence?

It's not ok for people to deny the truth about anything. Still, there is not much factual evidence for Jesus' existence. He probably did live, is what scholars agree about.

There is a huge body of substantial evidence (including observable) for evolution. There is ONE biased book for Jesus, and not one other historian of that time and place ever mentioned the guy!!. That and the fact that all of Jesus' attributes were stolen from pagan gods....

If there was as much evidence for Jesus Christ as there is for evolution, you wouldn't have to defend him on YA. Yes, scholars believe that he may have existed, but so what?

I see the claims..But NO Valid testable evidence,,,WHY?

""Why is it okay for Christ-mythers to deny scholarly consensus about relatively recent history, but you pile like dogs all over people who reject the scholarly consensus on issues from millions of years past like evolution?""

Evidence,,evolution is supported by MASSIVE amounts of Valid Testable evidence

the claim of the existence of the biblical jesus has NO Valid testable evidence to support it

""(Don't just say "evidence," because the majority of scholars hold that there is much evidence for Jesus' existence.)""

Yet NO ONE seems capable of actually PRODUCING that so called "Evidence"

There is no evidence for almost all of the 240 million people alive in the year 33 CE but there is evidence of the historical person of Jesus Christ. http://www.scottmanning.com/archives/World%20Popul...

Call them short-sighted but historians write about history and not current events. Unless someone was royalty (and sometimes not even then) almost no one received "contemporary attestation." If this standard was used with Alexander the Great then it would be determined that he did not exist.

People accept what Greeks and pro-Greeks wrote about Greeks who feared death if they offended the Greeks in power.

People accept what Romans and pro-Romans wrote about Romans who feared death if they offended the Romans in power.

But people refuse to accept what Christians wrote about Christians who only feared God if they bore false witness against their neighbors??

Luckily there is an abundance of anti-Christians who wrote about Christ. For example:

The (Pagan) Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Jesus Christ, His execution by Pontius Pilate and the persecution of early Christians in Rome in his 109 AD work, "The Annals,"

"Consequently, to get rid of the report (that Nero started the great fire of Rome), Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired."

Book 15, chapter 44 of "The Annals" by Tacitus, translated by Alfred John Church and William Jackson Brodribb http://classics.mit.edu/Tacitus/annals.11.xv.html

See also Magis Online Encyclopedia of Reason and Faith (Why Believe in Jesus?) http://magischristwiki.org/index.php?title=Why_Bel...

With love in Christ

http://www.ucg.org/science/surprising-archaeologic... http://listverse.com/2013/03/31/8-reasons-jesus-de... http://beginningandend.com/jesus-exist-historical-... http://www.jesusevidence.org/ http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?cat... http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/historicalev.h... http://carm.org/proof-that-jesus-existed @Michael At least I gave sources and there many secular evidence for him.

I don't really care. The important argument is not whether Jesus existed. What is more important is if any of the miraculous claims about him are actually true.

In this case, absence of (extra-biblical) evidence does indicate evidence of absence

Of course Jesus existed.

Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Galilee who preached in the Holy Land around 30 AD using our current calendar.

The disagreement is regarding if Jesus was the Son of God since there is no evidence to support that (no evidence God actually exists in the first place).

What atheists say is there is no evidence that Jesus was the son of God, that he rose from the dead, or any other "miracles".

Personally, I would not be surprised if a man named Jesus existed. I just do not believe the stories about the magic and gods associated with the guy. He led a cult. Cults have a way of thinking their leaders have all kinds of traits, characteristics, and skills. You can go to cults today and talk to their members and they will tell you how the heads of the cults are capable of miracles and are divine.

See, this is why it is so clear that you are simply LYING.

YOU claimed that 'no serious historian doubts' that Jesus existed. You name three, and put words in the mouth of one of them, and provide NO citations to show where your alleged quotes/claims come from.

In high school, such a paper would be rejected summarily, with an F for a grade. Rightly so.

In actuality, the evidence most supports a view that Jesus is a fictional character.

-No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.-

Well, I don't do that. I admit that a man named Jesus (or something similar) possibly existed, and that if he existed he may have been on a mission for his god.

I deny that he was trying to start a new religion, he was teaching the Jews, and only the Jews.

I deny he was the son of god, but then, so did he. His accusers said "You say you are the son of God"

Jesus says "No, YOU say I am the son of God"

I also don't believe gods exist, but that doesn't change my answer. Sure, it's possible that the oral history of a missionary for Judaism existed. His name might have been Jesus,