Someone explain this to me about god and make me understand how anyone believes. If my son was a murderer I wouldn't wish him harm.?

Yes, it is a scare tacit really.

I agree with you, if my son was to do the same, I would no matter what still love him. he is my child, my life, everything. I wouldn't be okay with the choices he made, but nothing would stop me from loving him or being his mother.

This isn't normal, in life, you don't punish someone for not agreeing with you when you have no reason to agree with them. Follow me or burn in hell doesn't sound like something any right parent would do.

I don't think a person burns for eternity. They just spend eternity separated from God if that's what they want. The bad thing about that is, that God is the giver of every good and perfect gift, so if you are separated from God, there will be no good to experience. Just a cycle of sadness, misery, insanity, depression, fear etc for eternity.

What may bother you is that you don't think you could make it to heaven even if you tried. All you really need to do is ask God to save you and ask Him for His help whenever you are confronted with something that you are unable to do.

It bothers me that Christians often tell people to do things or not do things but they never tell them how. We can't do any good on our own. The only way to obey the cammands to love God and to love your neighbor is for God to give us that assistance Himself.

"God...turns his back on his children for the choices he allowed us to make with free will. He gives us a choice yet one of the options is burn for eternity."

Yeah,that's sort of a problem. There's no such thing as "free will" to believe something.

No one (not me, not you, not anyone) can *choose* to believe something. If you don't believe something because you find it silly, ridiculous, factually baseless, etc., then it will be impossible for you to believe it--even if the consequences for not believing it are dire.

The situation is the same when there's the promise of a reward as well. If I told you there was a great reward in believing in leprechauns--that there's a huge pot of gold waiting for you at the end of the rainbow--would you then believe in leprechauns? Probably not.

Threat of punishment or promise of reward based on whether you believe something is a worthless strategy for "motivating" someone. It simply doesn't work.

hmmmm....would you *force* your son, without choice, without freedom of choice, to live forever in your house, if he *did not want to*?

That's a real question.

If you didn't force him to accept residence in your special house where there is indefinitely long life.....he would simply die a natural death....

This is the so-called "second death" -- the awful feeling of final death, which is of course going to be the worst kind of feeling (figuratively it's like a "lake of fire" etc.), but....that's natural. It takes most neurons more than 60 minutes to die after blood flow stops.... I have zero doubt that awful situation in those minutes is indeed *like* an 'eternity'..... It may even be effectively perceived as an eternity. There is so much we do not yet know in science about consciousness and even that we don't know about basic nature, areas we now call 'dark energy' and 'dark matter' (and more areas) in Physics....

Would you force him, or do you have the higher level of true respect, where you would allow him to freely choose for himself?

You give him true forgiveness and entrance *if he asks for it*......

There are choices to make. Allot of people tend to focus so much on Hell but completetly ignore the free Gift in Christ we have. We dont deserve anything.. but God made a way.

Hell is eternal seperation from God, who ever ends up there made that choice to not be with God, it is the only other alternative.

When you know God you don't think about Hell.

He never turns his back on us, we turn our backs on Him! And loving your son although he may be a murderer, there is nothing wrong with that, and it is the right thing to lock him up, thats what God does for us, we go out and sin, and he urges us to come back to him, but some just keep on sinning, and eventually, they will go to hell, even though God would rather us not to, it's our choice! And there are a few things we have to do to be Christians like invite Jesus In our hearts, and read the Bible, and we are closer to Him when we try not to sin, although everyone sins once in a while because we're human. He loves us no matter what we do though, when we turn our backs on Him, He never turns His back on us. Going to hell or not is completely our choice because He gave us free will.

You aren't really understanding the concept of hell correctly.

We are here to learn and grow and spiritually progress to become like our Savior and like our Heavenly Father. Everything set up here is for that purpose. Imagine if I sent you to school to learn and you never studied. You never paid attention. You cut class. Will you learn what you were suppose to learn? No. Would you be able to go to the next more complicated class? No. You didn't gain the knowledge and understanding or demonstrate a desire to learn more, so you have to stay where your are, or worse, go back to an even more basic class. You aren't learning, growing, progressing. You are stuck or you are going backwards. That is hell. Your lack of progression. Your inability to become one with God and Christ because you chose not to do the work, is your hell. Blaming God for that is ridiculous. You were given all the tools to move forward and you chose not to use them. So when you don't get to move on, how do you blame God for that?

You might argue, well God could just poof the knowledge into my head. But, for what purpose? That won't change who you are as a person. You would be given that knowledge, but would still be the same person who wouldn't life a finger to do anything to continue to grow and progress. We aren't here to become puppets. If we did just become puppets, there would be no point, whatsoever, to use even being here if the point was to grow and progress. Being a puppet is not growth.

You love your kids unconditionally, but you can't live their lives for them. You can't give them experience and compassion and empathy. They have to gain that for themselves. If they make choices that deny this growth from happening, there isn't a lot you as a parent can do except plead with them and try to get them to understand why they need to change to become better people and why that will make them happier.

We are eternal being, meaning no beginning and no end. God may be the creator of our spirits and bodies, but not the creator of the essence of who we are. That has always existed. God created a plan to move us beyond what we were and become like him. That requires work on our part. When we refuse to do the work and we are stuck and don't move forward, we are in a state of hell. When we choose to do things that make us more like God and connect and become one with him, we are in a state of heaven.

God is not going to burn anyone for eternity. The punishment for sin is death. Those judged unfit for God's kingdom will just be put out of existence, they will not exist any more, ever.

If my son were a murderer I would most definitely turn my back on him. I would ask them to put him under the jail. Love has nothing to do with it. Anyway, your point is something about god, which of course doesn't exist, let alone have any feelings about me.

You and I were not created for this world. We are spiritual souls in earthly bodies. This life isn't even a whisper in eternity. God has prepared a place for satan and his angels for all of eternity. No man or woman is without sin, and sin is the willful disobedience to the laws of God. In order to be in God's presence for eternity, we are unable to be 'good enough' to be made holy and righteous as God is. Freewill was given to man out of love. Love is part of the very definition. We have the choice to choose to accept or reject God. The Lord Jesus Christ died and rose again in an effort to pay our sin debt, that makes us right with God for all eternity. To reject God in this life is the greatest sin of all. God created us, loves us, sent His Son to die for us in our place so that we may be made right with God since we could not achieve it on our own, desires to be in a relationship with us, desires to indwell us with the Holy Spirit once we become saved, desires to write our name in the Lamb's book of life, desires to speak to each and everyday, to go through trials and tribulations with us, and desires to prepare a place for us with Him in heaven for all eternity. He is the Creator of the universe, the eternal Almighty God. Hell was not made for us, it was made for satan and the other angels that followed Him, but if a person wants nothing to do with God during this life, then God will not force them to spend eternity with Him. If there was a third choice, people would complain that there wasn't four. God doesn't send people to hell, they choose it. God's moral character isn't the problem, it's man's desire to be God and make his or her own rules. We want to live a life where we decide what is moral or immoral, and then if God doesn't let us in heaven, then He's the big jerk. That's not how life works. God is holy. He is righteous. He is all knowing. He is worthy of praise. We don't have a leg to stand on. The sin in our life is the problem. We want our sin and no one is going to tell us it's wrong and no one wants consequences. We have no excuse and one day rest assured, we will all stand before the Lord Jesus Christ whether we like the idea now or not. God desires that no one be lost and apart from Him, but He won't force His love. We may not like the choices, but we are not justified with that perspective on life. He gave us life, and created us to be with Him for eternity. You were created for eternity, not 80 or 90 years on earth. You are an eternal being, and your going to spend eternity somewhere. If you continue to reject God during your life, you'll have no excuse when you face Him, and friend, one day you will. Your free to contact me.